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[edit] Hall of Fame
Just a quick note to bring to everyone's attention: The list of Hall of Fame Legends is just that. There are many others listed as members of the HoF (players, coaches, umpires, administrators, and media) but only a select few of them are officially Legends. Note that this does not include Gary Ablett Snr., Harry Vallence, or many other very good players. In the recent Hall of Fame presentation, Jock McHale was elevated to Legend status - it's just that Gary Ablett got all the media attention. See the links available at the AFL website for any further clarification.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Brain of Morbius (talk • contribs) 9 June 2005.
[edit] Past Player Statistics
I have been searching for past player statistics, in particular John Worsfold's of the West Coast Eagles and have been unable to find any. The statistics that I would be interested in are how many kicks, goals, hand balls, marks etc. Am I not looking in the right place or are they not available?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.165.152.57 (talk • contribs) 14 January 2006.
[edit] Vandalism
Someone needs to reverse the edits of 202.164.199.138 which removed the former clubs of the VFL/AFL being the Brisbane Bears and South Melbourne Swans ... these are historical facts even though the clubs are not technically defunct, they are no longer part of the league in their previous form.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Biatch (talk • contribs) 18 January 2006.
[edit] 2007 Season
Should that really be on the right? Until the end of the year, there is only going to be NAB Cup winners listed there. Everything else will be undecided. If we must have it, I think we should do what was done last year. Have the full previous season, and then the current season updated as it goes. Seth Cohen 07:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- I totally agree. If not to remove the entire 2007 section, could we not at least cut it back to showing just the NAB cup? Raider2044 Bio • Talk • Contribs 11:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Début/Games played
I notice that someone has edited Bryce Gibbs to show his début as the pre-season match against Essendon. Do we have a standard for this? Pretty much all the articles I can think of indicate the first Home/Away match as the début game. Countering this I am fairly certain the AFL include such pre-season matches in the players' official match tallies (unlike some other leagues). Pudgey 22:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- You often hear the phrase "official AFL games" which includes pre-season, state of origin and international rules, as well as premiership matches (h&a and finals). However, when talking about a debut, it is generally accepted that a player doesn't make his debut until the home and away season. Rookie listed players play in the NAB cup, but their debut in the record will still be n/a. Seth Cohen 12:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] AFL (The truth)
THE TRUTH
Hey I have supported AFL all my life and i have been browsing one perticular page (the AFL page) and even after i correct the mistakes made by other individuals the section VFL/AFL Records keeps having a false fact. The fact is that it says that Essendon Football Club are tied with Carlton Football club with the most premierships on 16 each but this is a false fact the real fact is that CArlton are up on 16 but essendon are only on 15. This is because 1 one essendons reported 16 premierships was not a premiership cup match but it was just a round robin competition. So that years competition should not have been counted. I know some people will disagree with me on this saying that a round robin should still be counted as a premiership. Well if this is you then you can still not say that it is 16 a piece between Essendon & Carlton. If you count a round robin as a premiership then it would actually Become Essendon 17 & Carlton 16 because the AFL/VFL didnt cound the first ever major round robin competition as a premiership in 1897 which was as you guessed was won by Esssendon. So no matter what your believe these facts prove that the AFL's most premiership IS NOT tied.
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Well if you have any queries please dont hesitate to contact my at footy_lover21@hotmail.com
--The afl brain 06:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have already left the following message at your previous Anon Talk page (User talk:124.177.211.209) (and am about to leave it on your current Talk page).
- == Essendon and "that" Premiership ==
- I notice that you keep asserting in the article Australian Football League that Essendon have only won 15 VFL/AFL premierships. In your edit of 21 February 2007 you stated:
- (Essendon are actually only on fiveteen since one of their premierships that makes up the 16 was not actually a Grand Final a.k.a Premiership it was mearly a round robin compettition just like the one they had one earlier in 1897)
- The premiership concerned is of course the 1924 round robin finals where no grand final match was played (because Essendon already had an unassailable lead in the finals series).
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- It was indeed a premiership to Essendon that year and the AFL acknowledge as much. The article at Did the 1924 Bombers throw their last game? confirms that Essendon were premiers and also makes for interesting reading about the whole end of that season (especially with betting a topical issue in the AFL at present). Please stop reverting the number of premierships. Pudgey 08:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- I repeat, please stop reverting the number of premierships.
- And no, we won't be corresponding to an email address. If you have queries then the Talk page is the place to resolve them. Pudgey 10:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes well in fact if the afl acknowledge the 1924 round robin competition as a premiership why are they/ you not counting the first one in 1897???
--The afl brain 08:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Essendon Premiership years are 1897, 1901, 1911, 1912, 1923, 1924, 1942, 1946, 1949, 1950, 1962, 1965, 1984, 1985, 1993, 2000. To my count that is 16 premierships. Is there one other you feel they should be awarded?
- You could also look at Full Points Footy where the tally is at the bottom of the page; or Essendon club site where they list all 16 premiership sides. But perhaps even more convincing would be the AFL Club summary where the Carlton entry says:
- "Carlton — the Blues
- Joining the League in 1897, Carlton shares the tag as the most successful club in the history of the VFL/AFL, with 16 premierships, with arch-rival Essendon."
- What I cannot find anywhere is anyone to support your contention. By the way, "grand finals" is not synonymous with "premierships", although under the current finals system a team has to win the grand final to be premiers.
- I believe we can now consider this matter closed and move on to some constructive editing with our time. I certainly intend doing so. Pudgey 10:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Pudgey is correct. To summarise, as I said on your talk page already, Essendon have won 14 Grand Finals, not 15, and 16 Premierships, as the premiership does not have to be decided by a Grand Final. (As an interesting side note, if Essendon had not won that round robin competition in 1924, then as the minor premiers they would have played a Grand Final against the round robin winners to decide the premiership.) JPD (talk) 10:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Former grounds etc
Seem to be missing quite a few former grounds - Glenferrie Oval, Corio Oval, Lake Oval, East Melbourne Cricket Ground spring to mind
Also why are Fitzroy and University from their detailed suburbs rather than 'Melbourne' like the rest of the Melbourne clubs?
The membership numbers list is also out of whack and needs fixing up. (those tables are a bit beyond me)
Mustard Pot 00:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
