Talk:Bloody Mary (South Park)

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[edit] Alcoholism

About that short note in the 'Trivia' section that keeps getting removed and re-inserted ... there's the following dialog in the episode:

Stan: "My dad was here yesterday and you kinda messed him up by telling him he had a disease."

Dude 1: "Alcoholism is a disease."

Stan: "No, it's ... it's not. And you can't just go around saying stuff like that to people like my dad. He's ... he's kinda a hypochondriac."

Dude 2: "It is a disease because it is a physical dependency. That makes it a disease."

Stan: "No, cancer is a disease. My dad needs to drink less."

I know the point is Randy being pushed into thinking he's an alcoholic just because of his one drunk driving episode and the dudes there are overreacting. Still, I gotta stick with the AA dudes on this. Alcoholism *is* a disease, it's classified as such not only in the major psychiatric catalogues (such as DSM) but also in the ICD-10 - which, to me and every other person in the medical field, makes it a disease.

So, if the reason this tidbit is not accepted in the article is because it's irrelevant, then that's fine with me. Otherwise, I feel it should be in there because it's verifiable and with a citation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blinkenpilzen (talk • contribs) 05:26, 9 May 2006.

Also to note Stan's dad goes back to his drinking ways though many studies have shown that the majority of alcoholics cannot return to drinking in moderation, see the article on alcoholism.

There seems to be no consensus on the Disease Theory of Alcoholism.--Robbstrd 01:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

62.25.106.209 16:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)Just to refute the notion that entry into the DSM makes alcoholism a disease (you may wish to note the DSM has in the past also listed homosexuality as a disease). This is a nonsense. Alcoholism is a behaviour and has been labelled a disease as a result of intense lobbying by the para-professionals of the 12-step community. Drinking is an expression of choice and is voluntary. All diseases are involuntary and can be shown to exist by scientific objective testing. Alcoholism does not meet this criteria. Great episode though!

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 05:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed another link [1] which while not youtube, appears to be showing parts of the episode in violation of copyright. If I made a mistake and the site has permission to show these segments, you're welcome to re-add it but please mention here the evidence that the site has permission Nil Einne 14:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)