Template talk:Canadian politics/party colours

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I've created more templates for other parties using the existing colour scheme. Some thought could be given to chosing colours closer to those used by the parties, e.g., the National Party used green and white, the Cdn Alliance used green and blue, the Marxist-Leninists use a scarlet red, not gold. Kevintoronto 19:26, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wow. more and more Wikipedia is becoming the main source for people's information. Before my excel file (which took years to build, and had no purpose) containing all general election results in canadian history, wikipedia did not have a colour for parties like the Progressives or the CCF, but after my file, it seems that the colours I chose have become "THE" colours that are used here. I am honoured :) Pellaken 06:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

perhaps we should change the colour of the Union Nationale? currently it matches the federal CPC colour, but it's possible, while inprobable, that a provincial Conservative party could be started, if this happens it would make sence for it to share colours, so I propose we change the UN colours to match with the former PC colours. any thoughts? Pellaken 16:29, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd rather you didn't, for two reasons... one, its nice to distinguish between the UN and the Quebec Conservative party (which does use PC colours) which merged into it. Second, I don't want to start shuffling things around so as to make allowances for hypothetical parties. Nobody to my knowledge has come anywhere remotely close to forecasting the arrival of a provincial wing of the CPC in Quebec. -The Tom 05:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Tory Colours 2 Other nations? 3 Wow! and questions about a French language version 4 Coalitions? 5 ADQ colours

[edit] Tory Colours

I got sick of people trying to link to party coulors that didn't exist, so I made some redirects to the PC colour. Arctic Gnome 19:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• The Progressive Canadian Party should have a colour that is different from the Lib-Cons/CPC(historic)/Unionist/Progressive Conservative colour. This would be appropriate because the ProgCanadian Party is not the legal successor to the ProgConservative Party. Is everyone okay with me changing it to something different? Lib-Cons, CPC(h), Unionist, NLC, PCons are all different names for the same party, so it makes sense to use one colour for all of them. Ground Zero | t 19:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
  • P-Canadian should have its own colour, sure. And although Lib-Cons/CPC(hist)/NG are all re-names of the same party, Unionist/NLC and P-Cons were each formed by a merge, so if CPC(new) can have its own colour, maybe they should too. I don't know what colours they used back then, but on the Timeline of Prime Ministers of Canada I used a darker blue for CPC(hist) and a blue-purple for the Unionist. Arctic Gnome 00:21, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
    • In 1942, the Conservative Party changed its name to "Progressive Conservative Party". It did not merge with the Progressive Party. The notion that these two parties merged is a common misconception -- it seems so obvious, many people assume it is true. See the Conservative Party of Canada (historical) and Progressive Party of Canada articles for more info.
    • Similarly, the Unionst Party was not a merger of the Conservative and Liberal Parties. The Conservative Party changed its name when it welcomed a bunch of Liberal MPs into its ranks, and then changed it later to NLC. The Liberal Party continued as a separate entity. Regards, Ground Zero | t 12:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. So the first six Tories use the same colour and the seventh uses the different one. We now just need a colour for the Prog.-Canadians. Arctic Gnome 16:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• It is obscenely POV for this template to give a different colour to the current CPC than the other Conservative parties, while allowing the Progressive Canadian Party to use the standard Conservative colour. The CPC is legal successor to the previous Conservative parties, while the Progressive Canadians have no objective link.
  I have swapped the colours for the CPC and ProgCans, with the exception of this page, which has been protected for some reason. I request that an admin unprotect the page and/or make the change, to finalize the transition. Thanks.
  --The Invisible Hand 17:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The PC Party disbanded, and its members joined the new CPC. The new CPC is a new legal entity, and should not have the same colour as the PC Party. The Progressive Canadian Party should also have its own colour as - like the new CPC - it is not the legal continuation of the PC Party. instead of having an edit war over the colour, let's resolve the issue here before any further changes are made. Ground Zero | t 17:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I agree with Ground Zero. Both the new Conservative Party and the Progressive Canadian party are new legal entities and have to have their own colours. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 18:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Both parties should have separate colours from the old Progressive Conservatives. I would note, however, that while this chart says the Progressive Canadian Party is the same colour as the ProgCons in the "colour name" column, they're not, in fact, the same colour. The actual ProgCan colour template uses a different tone of blue than the one this chart names, so an update of this chart is probably necessary. What's weird is that the actual ProgCan colour seems to be "cornflowerblue", which is the same colour as the CPC, but it doesn't appear to actually be the same shade when you look at them together. Bearcat 18:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
      • This seems to be an artifact of how, after my switching of the CPC and ProgCan colours, Artic gnome only partially reverted it.
        --The Invisible Hand 18:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
    • While the existence of a merger could potentially be grounds for a different colour, I see no reason why it must be. Ground Zero's statement that "[the new CPC] is not the legal continuation of the PC Party" is incorrect; the CPC assumed all assets, debts, and legal obligations of both legacy parties (hence why David Orchard sued the CPC over his PC leadership fee).
      The only purely objective and NPOV colour standard that I can see is legal succession, which supports having the CPC the same colour as the other parties. (If someone can think of another objective, non-arbitrary standard, please post it.)
      --The Invisible Hand 18:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
      • The problem is that it's also the legal successor of the Canadian Alliance, which is in turn the legal successor of the Reform Party (which is a different colour in turn from the Alliance). So my question would be why the CPC's relationship to the old PCs should be the sole factor determining its template colour — to me, that would appear to give the CPC's relationship to the PCs special precedence over its relationship to the CA, which would also be an inappropriate POV. Which is why I think both the CPC and the ProgCanadians should be different colours from the PCs. Bearcat 19:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Exactly. There has been a lengthy debate about whether the new Conservative Party is more like the PCs or the CA. By making the new party the same colour as the PCs, Wikipedia would be taking a POV side in that debate. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 20:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Indeed, the CPC is a separate party from both the PCs and CA. It merits a separate colour. CJCurrie 03:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• New CPC is a new party, it needs a new colour. If it taken any old colour it should be of the historical Tory party, not the PCs. Kevlar67 03:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Except that the historical Conservative Party and the Progressive Conservative Party have the same colour because there were one continuous party under two names. The New Conservative Party, as Bearcat points out, is as much Canadian Alliance as Progressive Conservative. It needs a new colour. I suggest:

1. changing the new Cons Party colour back to cornflowerblue,
2. changing the Progressive Canadian Party colour to something else to differentiate it (not 9999FF), and
3. keeping the historical Conservative Party/Progressive Conservative Party as 9999FF. Ground Zero | t 04:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is my proposal:

• cornflowerblue for the new Conservative Party
• #9999FF for the liberal-COnservatives/historical Conservatives/Unionists/National Government/Progressive Conservatives
• #3333CC for the Progressive Canadian Party (this is the same colour as the UK Conservative Party (see United Kingdom general election, 2005).

Any comments? or should I just go ahead and do it? Ground Zero | t 17:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Are the old and new Conservative colours official ones? If not, I think the UK Conservatives should share a colour with one of the major parties here. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 01:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No colours are "official" to any party, either here or in the UK set. Indeed, I don't know of a party that's enshrined a particular shade in policy anywhere. The Canadian template set does tend to have situations where the coloured blocks are overlaid with text while the UK set doesn't, so its important that major parties be kept on the light side of things. Right now, there's a nice aesthetic balance in the Liberal/Cons(new)/PC/NDP/Green set in terms of overall intensity/luminosity/whatever-that-characteristic-is, and I think they should stay as-is.

The Prog. Cdn. Party, though, can be shifted painlessly into the darker end of things. The initial rationale for #9999FF for the PCs vs cornflower for the new Conservatives was to get more of a red undertone to the PC colour, suggesting quite literally the Red Tory element of that party vs. the "true blue" of the current CPC. My only thought on the subject is that if we wanted to stick to that pattern, maybe a darker indigo for the Prog Cans might be suitable?

#6666CC

How about #6666CC? The Tom 02:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

• I like it. Ground Zero | t 18:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other nations?

Are there other "articleS" like this one for the UK and Australia? I cant find them. Keeperoftheseal 05:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow! and questions about a French language version

Wow!!! Amazing work this is! Kudos! Earlier today, I foolishy thought French language templates for Canadian elections already existed. I was making a French language version of the Saint John (electoral district) and had spent a while studiously editing the electoral template boxes, saved, and voila... the French templates don't exist. It looks like none of them do: party colours, votes, percentage, etc. So, I think it's time they get done, even if I'm the only one to use them. The old-school computer I'm using at home is not unicode compliant, so, when making French templates, the accents I want to use don't work rendering the templates pretty useless. No problem, I can do that at work. My question is... if a French language version of this was created, would it be necessary to change the names of the colours from English ones to French ones? Any other advice, tips, suggestions... would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, merci and arigatou in advance.DDD DDD 09:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, templates on the French Wikipedia should all use French language for parti names. (E.g., Modèle:Canadian_politics/party_colours/Vert instead of Template:Canadian_politics/party_colours/Green - except the other parts of the template name should be in French, too.) However, any html code should remain the same (e.g., bgcolor="yellowgreen" remains unchanged). Thanks for taking this work on! —GrantNeufeld 17:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Much more work that I thought. You guys obviously worked hard on this. Ah, I ran into a problem today at work when I wanted to work on this... the filter at worked blocked this template. Taking a stab and saying it's because of the Sex party. Hmm. So, I was more lost than I expected to be. A question, I have. What's the difference between Template:Canadian politics/party colours/Liberal and Template:Canadian politics/party colours/Liberal/row and why is this difference/distinction important or necessary? DDD DDD 14:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coalitions?

What colour should we use for coalition governments? Over at Timeline of Canadian elections we're using a shade of purple, but I'm thinking that we should switch to something that stands out from the party colours a bit more, maybe a shade of grey. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ADQ colours

At the moment, the ADQ uses the colour     , which is all but impossible to tell apart from the Progressive Conservatives (    ), and rather similar to the Union Nationale (    ). See List of Quebec general elections for these colours in use together. Given that 1) the ADQ's official colours are red and blue and 2) there are two active and one inactive Quebec parties that are already denoted by blue on WP, I propose using a shade of red for the ADQ. As a starting point, I suggest   cc2222   (which is distinct from the Liberal's     ).

Any thoughts/comments? Tompw (talk) 00:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The ADQ was only switched in the last day or two to that colour (which is admittedly too close to the PCs), having been     lightsteelblue for months and months beforehand. I've reverted, which solves that problem, no? The Tom 07:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I strongly agree with this action - the media outlets and the ADQ themselves used blue on election results map and it seems to be the standard and was here on Wiki for quite some time. - Jord 18:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Note that two days after The Tom's reversion, the same user who previously changed the colour to a PC-esque dark blue changed it back again. I've reverted again, and advised the user in question that he needs to discuss the matter here if he still wants a colour change. Bearcat 06:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)