Talk:Daylight saving time around the world

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Contents 1 Article expansion 2 Merge proposal 3 US time zone table 4 Edit I just made 5 Lengthy Australia text 6 From 2007 7 Last Sunday in March 8 Colorado 9 Neutrality 10 GMT? 11 Special Case for the Americas

[edit] Article expansion

epand this aritile within 5 days Jer10 95 21:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Why was this article created without a consensus to split it off of Daylight saving time? In addition, it's pretty long as it is; does it really need an expansion tag? - BillCJ 15:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

Assuming that this article remains, I propose that List of countries that do not observe Daylight Saving Time be merged here. There was an expansion tag on that short article. Its content would fit perfectly here. - BillCJ 15:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Split off of Daylight Saving Time performed. Merge from List of countries that do not observe Daylight Saving Time completed. I will try to integrate the two separate sections, using the continents and the major headings. - BillCJ 06:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US time zone table

This table was in the Halloween section, where I couldn't figure out what it was supposed to mean. I moved it to the 2006 section, since that's the rule set that it uses to calculate the current time in the various time zones.

I have to wonder whether the "current time" aspect of this table is really useful. It's a maintenance nuisance (over in the template, of course), since it has to be updated when the rules change.

I'd suggest losing the "current time" part and leaving it as a static table showing the various US time zones (and pseudozones like Arizona) and their UTC offsets with and without DST.

Jordan Brown 09:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit I just made

Would be too long to describe in the edit summary- I took out various "These people would most likely dislike/like DST because (time they get up) (whether the sun will have risen by then)" statements, and also cut out a bit saying DST in australia could change because a 13 y/o boy ahd emailed the PM-- unless he released a press onference saying eh was thinking about it because of that, it doesn't belong here. Did leave in that PM Howard requested different australian states please observe the same start/end dates for DST, but tinkered with the first two words for clarity. Cantras 16:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What's an "obs"? If you meant "observation", it needs to be spelled out in the text. I've changed it, but if you meant something else, you'll need to fix it. Thanks. - BillCJ 19:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lengthy Australia text

I have deleted the expanded text on DST in Australia because of excessive length. The point of this page is to give a BRIEF summary on DST in the various articles. The entire text of that section has been placed on the the Talk:Time in Australia page, for inclusion in that article if that page's editors so desire. Thanks. - BillCJ 22:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From 2007

Daylight saving time around the world#From 2007 says: "One potential issue is that some northern regions on the western edge of time zones will, for the first time since the 1974-75 "almost year round" DST experiment, have sunrise times that occur after 8am." If this means what I think, I don't think it's accurate. Here in northwest Ohio, for example, the sun rose at 8:01 on January 1, 2007, according to this site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.183.80.245 (talk) 19:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

I agree, that statement is inaccurate. You don't need to be very far north to see sunrise after 8am druring the (non-DST) winter months. Also, with the new time changes, even mid-lattitude locations such as Indiana will see sunrise after 8am. 207.188.72.110 17:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC) JustInTime

[edit] Last Sunday in March

Is there a reason to create a link to this, instead of linking to Sunday and March? What could there be in such an article besides perhaps a list of last Sundays in March(s) past (not a very good use for a Wikipedia article I think) Schissel | Sound the Note! 20:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colorado

but when then state Senator MaryAnne Tebedo attempted to present the idea to the state legislature, her research uncovered Federal laws forbidding the state-initiated extension of daylight saving time Who determines the borders of time zones? Is it the federal government, or state governments? If the latter, couldn't the same effect have been achieved by changing Colorado to Central time zone and simultaneously opting out from DST? Both would have the effect of making Colorado's time the same as Kansas' during summer and the same as Utah's during winter 65.27.11.162 03:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

Whenever I try to fix the neutrality problem (I believe some parts are way too far in favour of Daylight Saving Time), somebody writes over it! I reverted a recent edit. Auroranorth 11:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. People keep deleting my anti-DST messages. I just put one up about Halloween. Some people think late sunrise is bad, and we have a right to express our opinion. 70.239.25.200

Oddly enough, an edit which much more carefully described the opposition to the WA trial! I think this is not beyond resolution. Orderinchaos78 14:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Snarkiness is good! It helps. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.225.130.13 (talk) 07:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

I have rewritten the Australian section in an attempt to remove bias (either pro or con) and have removed the neutrality flag from the talk page. Eubulides 18:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GMT?

I don't see anywhere on this page whether or not GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) observes DST.

Greenwich is in the UK and as such does observe DST. This is the fundamental (and very important) difference between GMT and UTC. 207.188.72.110 16:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC) JustInTime (no-pun intended)

GMT (according to the formal definition) does not observe DST, since it is defined as UTC, or the astronomically measured approximation of UTC. The UK actually observes something called BST (British Summer Time) in the summer. Often GMT is said to be the civil time in the UK, that is UTC in the winter and UTC+1 in the summer, but that is not correct. -- BIL 21:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

This is similar elsewhere. In the US, Eastern Standard Time (USC-5) does not change, New York (et al.) simply jump to Eastern Daylight Time (UTC-4). samwaltz 16:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special Case for the Americas

Is there a good reason why the Americas had their own special bit at the top? I couldn't see one. I took it out - the links are still present in the main list. Bryson430 00:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)