Talk:Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team

[edit] Merge

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed merge - where the decision was taken to merge. If you wish to make further comment, please start a new discussion here, or invoke a wider discussion at WikiProject Cycling

This page should be merged with the US Postal page as they ARE the same team, just with a different sponsor. Aussie King Pin 10:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

• I slightly (not strongly) disagree, they are the same team; I believe that the test of time and the growth of Wikipedia will allow separate articles. And, that there is value in having the Category:Historical cycling teams category and its list of former primary sponsors. To some degree the lineage is: Discovery Channel > U.S. Postal > Motorola > 7-Eleven (I could be wrong), but there is value in keeping these "periods of time" and sponsorship separate. For example, I like that the Postal article as a listing of (most) all past team members and their years of service. Personally, I would have like to see us have a separate ONCE-Eroski article (from Liberty-Segurus and Astana-Wurth) [past-to-present teams] or separate Phonak Hearing Systems vs. iShares (present-to-future) articles. I know that this is not always the norm (e.g., American football teams that move from one city to another, usually only have one article). So if we merge, I would at least like to see a 1-2 paragraph reference to the accomplishments of the US Postal squads over time and not simply 1-2 sentences that same (and this team was onced named US Postal). djharrity 15:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Well if we were going to merge the articles we wouldn't just ignore the former history of the team if we were going to treat the team as a continuous team. Aussie King Pin 09:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Support the merge, edit in the US Postal info as a 'History' section. This is just like the Montreal Expos and Washington Nationals, which also needs merging. Tromboneguy0186 08:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

So far I have 3 editiors supporting the change and 1 against it. If I get 5 or more supports without another objection I will begin merging the pages onto the Discovery Channel one. But be warned, i'm a new editior and I will probably do it poorly Aussie King Pin 11:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Who are the 3 editors?; I only see comments from you and me. djharrity

Sorry, the other two are on the US Postal page. Aussie King Pin 23:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, agree; if done in a similar fashion as Team CSC. djharrity

Actually the lineage is Discovery Channel > U.S. Postal > Montgomery Bell > Subaru-Montgomery

Who wrote the above? Aussie King Pin 11:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree they sould be merged as they are the same team but with a different name and sponsor but, with the same riders.(-Lance)

I agree w/ djharrity. No sports team is really the same from year-to-year, and football teams maintain a lineage by being bought and sold as companies. If you want to define the team by the money, you have to define the team by the title sponsor. If you want to define the team by Lance Armstrong, it's (I believe) Motorola->Cofidis->US Postal->Disco. But that's just silly. If it's by following around the majority of teammates and the DS, Illes Baleares and Banesto should be merged, etc., etc., etc. I personally think users (especially those not familiar with the team lineage) will be least confused if the pages aren't merged. --Nbrahms 23:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Which is why we would mention US Postal riders and team history in the article so people wouldn't get confused. Aussie King Pin 07:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done a lot of work towards including all that is in the current USPS Cycling article and any/all MAJOR wins that are associated with the Postal history. In addition, I've included an area on 'Early history' with Montgomery-Bell and Subaru-Montgomery. If no one has an objection, I believe we can delete all the content from the US Postal (cycling) article and switch it to only a redirect by adding "#REDIRECT: Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team" into the page. djharrity July 6.