Talk:Diva
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Is diva really applied to any female celebrity? Name one politician or scientist or writer... Tuf-Kat 07:01, Dec 14, 2003 (UTC)
- I can't believe NO ONE changed that. I did. I also added negative connotation. Mike H 21:50, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Patti Smith, diva?
Why in the hell is Patti Smith, punk rock poet extraordinaire, included in the list of divas? Just because she is a woman? What kind of sexist crap is that? She has said herself that she does not identify as a female performer, a fact she made clear in Rolling Stone magazine's "Women in Rock" issue in 1997.
--Pinko1977 08:14, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd take Joan Baez off, too. I love Joanie but she's not what I consider a diva. Diva is more Billie Holiday/ Aretha Franklin/ Peggy Lee.
Excuse me? Boy George? Justin Timberlake?
[edit] Divus or Dio?
Italian for "God" is Divus? Um, I thought "God" in Italian was "Dio"... [[User:JonMoore|— —JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 03:11, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
- In Latin, it's divus. Not having studied Italian, I'm going to leave this up to someone who did.
[edit] Jennifer Lopez and Anastacia
I am horrified to see mention of Pop Singers like Lopez and Anastacia featured with no mention of ACTUAL Diva's like Maria Callas, or Kiri Te Kanawa.
Ummm...actually "God" is "deus" in Latin, and "dio" in Italian according to their respective wikipedias: [1] [2]. I really think this article is unfactual unless someone can source that the etymology of "Diva". Jon 05:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
- Ok, having searched etymonline, it says:
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- diva
"distinguished woman singer," 1883, from It. diva "goddess, fine lady," from L. diva "goddess," fem. of divus "divine (one)." [3] I think the article needs some clarification. Jon 05:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Divus (diva f. /divum n.) is a Latin adjective meaning divine. Use of substantive adjectives for nouns is more common in Latin than in English, so its use as a noun is not that suprising.
I could not agree more. I don't know who made that list of divas but putting Callas and Lopez in the same category is like "comparing champagne to coke. Boipussi 11:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Less famous women"
In my opinion, it is not a NPOV descriptor, but additional thoughts would be appreciated. --Nlu 13:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- I note that you have used the words "world famous" to describe your list of divas. I suppose that is not POV... Wallie 13:44, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Not my words. Please check history of the article. This article is not mine or yours. --Nlu 13:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- You have called me out for being NPOV. You did not criticize the wording "There are many women who are or have been world famous divas. They include:". Wallie 13:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Not my words. Please check history of the article. This article is not mine or yours. --Nlu 13:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] pop divas, drink poison, please
Exaggerating ephemeral pop starlets is a profanation. Compare Maria Callas, Deep Purple to Britney Spears :( Ilya K 17:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I could not agree more... drop dead Lopez and Spears... Boipussi 11:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Let us remove list of long-legged nice-breasted
- SUPPORT Ilya K 17:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] POV and Original Research
I note that these stub have been put up on this page. Can we please discuss what the objections are.
- My take on things... As far as I can see the article is about Divas. In the past Divas were the leading female stars in the arts, usually Opera and Ballet, as they were the big two. But now the modern meaning of the word in the USA has come to mean female pop stars, and possibly film stars, as most people go to pop concerts and to the film theater these days rather than opera and ballet. So the article really needs to mention the two types of diva, the new and the old. I think that most reasonable people would think that Margot Fonteyn (British Ballet) was a diva, Whitney Houston (American Pop) is also a diva, and Joan Sutherland (Australian Opera) is one too. So as far as I can see, the article is balanced. I have only one small comment. Maybe the "world famous" type stuff could be toned down a little. Wallie 15:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it's used today to also denote people who have a prima donna attitude. Boipussi 17:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- True. Wallie 18:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Annie Lennox
Annie Lennox said in her interview that she was regarded as a Diva, hence the name of one of her Albums. I throw this into the pot with no opinion........ Epeeist smudge 09:08, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
- Therefore she should be taken off the list. No diva would ever bother mentioning this. Everyone would know it anyway. Wallie 15:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A diva is a singer
When the term is used in almost any other context, including dance, it has an adjective attached to it. I'd remove the ballerinas to a section on "prima ballerinas." I'm also wondering whether the whole thing ought to be moved to the dictionary. 69.209.1.255 03:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
- Actually all divas can have a qualifier, eg, opera diva or pop diva. Some ballerinas are certainly divas in the true sense of the word, ie, goddesses. Actually quite a few people mentioned on the pop diva list are not really divas, but merely pop singers. Unfortunately there is no ranking of pop singers, as there is in ballet or opera. Wallie 15:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know the word DIVA was first used for MAria Callas after her firts performance of the aria 'Casta Dive' in Bellini's opera 'Norma'. She was truely divine. User (politi)
[edit] 'Diva' as an insult
The word "diva" is often used as an insult to describe performers (actors, singers, or any other such entertainers) who, often after an initial success, begin to hold a high opinion of themselves--expecting special treatment, etc...
Example: Jamie Fox has often been described as a "Diva" due to his behavior after his oscar win as seen on the set of miami vice and exemplified by his traveling with an entourage.
I think a section should be added to this article covering this usage.
How is that an insult? Boipussi 11:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
To me this sounds like another improper appropriation of vocabulary by American media. See usage of 'literally', 'begging the question', 'irregardless' &c. It should not be added to the wiki (at this point in time at least.) 24.81.8.4 20:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the word "Diva" is an insult in Sweden. I'm looking at that in Nationalencyklopedin (the biggest encyklopedia in Sweden) right now.83.176.233.64 17:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dames
Shouldn't it be Dame Joan Sutherland to match the other Dames in the list???
