User talk:Gadget850/Archive (Oct 2005)
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Copying from other websites
Please try and avoid simply copy and pasting from another website as this is usually a copyright infringement and is generally frowned upon by Wikipedia policy. Adding a web link to anotehr site is fine, but copying another site's work into the body of an article is generally note the way to go. -Husnock 22:10, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
- I read all of what you have below. I see how it could be upsetting. Unfortunately, this all came about during an issue with a lot of people copying text from the Institute of Heraldry and replacing entire articles with said texts. Adding copyvio notices appeared to be one way to bring it to everyones attention. Im sure it will be resolved and the articles will all get restored. Nobody is saying you did anything really bad or are a bad editor. -Husnock 03:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Why this is not a copyright violation; but it was sloppy editing:
Figured out pages in question are:
- Kuwait Liberation Medal (Kuwait)
- Kuwait Liberation Medal (Saudi Arabia)
- Southwest Asia Service Medal
Text is actually from packet of materials from 1st Cav when awards were sent to me in 1996. Unsurprisingly, it does match that from TIOH. TIOH is not the origination of the text (they only do the design). Actual authority would be DoD Manual 1348.33-M, Manual of Military Decorations and Awards. TIOH is a US government entity, therefore copyright is not an issue. One of the edits I had made was a link to the site where I supposedly copied the text! I did go back and revert part of these pages to the temp pages to resolve any potential issues, as I was going to be offline for the next several days.
IMHO, there are no copyright violations, just sloppy editing. I had intended to do some further refining (just got overcome by events for a few days).
- Aha- I just came across this reference: Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources.
--Gadget850 17:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The following stuff is personal rambling, musing and venting...
I'm not sure as to why the copyright violations were applied. I thought it was due to my edits, but after reading the Wikipedia policies, I am thinking that I am wrong on that. Per Copyright problems, it should have simply been reverted unless all the revisions had issues (including Husnock's). The more I read the policy, the more I'm puzzled on how it was applied (and why on only two of the three pages I had edited). It also looks like the entire article should have been blanked and replaced by the copyvio tag. Perhaps someone could educate a newb.
My biggest disappointment here is in how this came down. A cryptic message on my talk page closely followed by some violation tags with no dialog? No discussion as to how a new user (as described in one comment; at 47 I'm almost flattered) should handle this? An opportunity to develop a relationship of neophyte to master, now lost? Integrity questioned without a discussion?
Guess I should have left the articles alone and not created the temp pages. That way either the articles would have been accepted as is, or deleted in their entirety. I'm going to back up the temp pages, because the articles as is are sloppy. That way when the copyvios are cleared I still have a backup of the good edit.
A few open issues on this:
- Southwest Asia Service Medal: Per DoD Manual 1348.33-M, there are only three campaigns; PROVIDE COMFORT is authorized as part of the Cease-Fire Campaign. NPRC is not a cite, as they are a repository of records.
- Kuwait Liberation Medal (Kuwait): There are four other classes of this medal yet to be documented. Found a source for images and am working permission for use. This may be a while though.--Gadget850 16:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
