Talk:Independence Day
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After a lot of thorught, I decided to chuck some pages around. Not a thing to do lightly.
At first, I thought moving Fourth of July to Independence Day (US) was a clever move. And clearly, the latter is a better article URL than the former. But after more thought, I realized that we weren't going to have 18 entries of Independence_Day_(US|CA|IL|VN|...) simply because most of these countries don't speak English! (I'm an American, so I'm slow at the whole non-English thing.... ;-) But the thing is, lots of countries have an independence day, but only one, apparently, has an day whose native title, which happens to be in English, is Independence Day.
So now we have Independence Day and Independence Day (disambiguation). The former will point to the latter at the top of the page. I am going to work on getting more native names for independence days in the latter... should be a lot more tempting red articles when I'm done.
Of course, an even better title for the disambig page would be Independence days... hmmmm.
Somercet 07:36, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
Has Norway been removed deliberately? Why?PRB 16:21, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Federation Day in Australia
Jan 01 (1901) is the day that the 6 Australian colonies federated. It is not really an Independence day.--Syd1435 03:20, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)
- I agree. Nobody objected to my deleting Canada from this list so I will delete Australia for the same reason. Neither country became "independent" on a specific date; it was a gradual process. It is misleading to reference January 1, 1901 for Australia in a "List of Independence Days" because Australia remained a dominion of the UK until 1931 (see Statute of Westminster 1931). --Mathew5000 07:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] German interwiki link
Currently the German interwiki link goes to de:Independence Day under which it is said that this is the name of the Independence Day in some English-speaking countries and further the movie is mentioned. I think de:Unabhängigkeitstag is the proper counterpart of this article. Andres 11:12, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] How about Kazakhstan?
I notice that today's main page (dec 16th) mentions that it is Kazakhstan independence day, and it is true, but I cannot find Kazakhstan in this list. Any reason why? As the Kazakh people tell it, it is the anniversary of the day they became free from the USSR. Carole a 14:44, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Too much informaton given about Intependence Day in the US?
While for most countries only the date when Independence Day is celebrated and the reason why it is celebrated are given, for the US there is a whole paragraph about what is done on that day:
"United States - Independence Day, July 4, often called the Fourth of July, which marks the adoption of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 when the thirteen British colonies formed the United States of America. A Liberty Medal and $100,000 is given each July 4 in Philadelphia to some prominent world leader in honor of Independence Day."
I think this is too much information, considering that no other country has that much. Whoever wants to know more about Independence Day in the US should head to the right article, considering this is only supposed to be a simple list of Independence Days around the world. --Pecholobo 11:49, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- On the contrary - there is not enough information on other countries!
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- I disagree, if we fill up list pages with ecyclopaedic information about the things that they list, what is the point of the pages to whcih they link. There is a page Fourth of July providing rich information about US independence day, and many of the other independence days listed have similar pages. The rough format here should probably be no more than "(Country)-(Date), (significant event) making it independent from (OtherCountry)" If you want to write an essay on the customs and history of a particular country's independence day, put it in an article. PRB 12:49, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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- Perhaps this list could be transformed into a nice clean table? With "(country)-(date)-(significant event)". TheCoffee 10:43, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Transferred into to a table
Alright, everything is moved into a table. Hopefully things are more organized this way. But it's still quite messy and needs some cleanup. TheCoffee 14:08, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Having a table of various independence days around the world is great, but shouldn't there be more prose in the article, perhaps relating to any common practices, or the historical process of having a country's day of independence recognized as a national holiday? It isn't entitled "List of Independence Days in various countries", after all. -Fsotrain09 01:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fascism is not a country !
I live in Italy and can say that fascism is not a country but a political system. Italy not have any more having country from than to be independent !
[edit] Palestine
I noticed that there is no year tagged to the July 5 self proclaimed independence date of Palestine, a search on the Palestine page, and on the July 5 page brings neither. (Or maybe I just missed it). Can anyone elucidate? --Canuckguy 13:33, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Remember "Palestine" is not a sovereign nation. --dandan 14:42, 14 August 2006 (KST)
[edit] Chile
You made a BIG mistake about Chile. Chile's independence is on february 12, 1814(although we don't celebrate it due to particular reasons with O'higgins, so we celebrate our first "junta" day (september 18, 1810)). Too bad that this was featured on the home page of wikipedia...
- I've changed it from Independence Day to National Day on the MainPage of Wikipedia. Is it better now ? -- PFHLai 13:44, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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- National day is now correct. Thanks (I'm reverting the changes made by someone else... on Chilean independence)
[edit] Italy
We made a mistake about Italy. I live in Italy from birth, and the fascism is not a nation! , but a political party. The Italy nation was born from union by little kingdoms with the proclamation of the kingdom of Italy at March 17, 1861. According to me the Italy must be erased from this list. Furthermore, Poland and Serbia-Montenegro by whom have obtain indipendence ? --Govohc 20:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
- Good call on the entry regarding Italy. April 25 should be Liberation day, or Liberazione, not independence day. -- PFHLai 15:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Jamaica
Should Jamaica be on this list as well? Independence From West Indies Federation and the UK on August 6, 1962--Nightfreak 17:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] ???
Why should I believe anything here
[edit] chad
August 11: Independence Day in Chad
Why is this info on wiki but not on this page?--206.131.30.1 19:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Independence Day Mexico... TOTALLY WRONG!.
The Mexican Independence day is not on Cinco de Mayo! that is a mayor mistake. The Mexican Independence day is on September 16 but its part of a 2 day celebration of Fiestas Patrias, begining on the evening of September 15th, when the President of the Republic makes a traditional speach and cries out "Viva Mexico!" and the names of national heroes. The same is done at the submunicipal level, municipal and state level, at their distinct plazas. 5 de mayo is the day of remembrance of the Battle of Puebla, when the Mexican army was able to defeat the invading French army on that day. Its not even an official holiday.
[edit] "Independence Day" for Canada -- totally wrong
In my view we should take Canada off this list. The list is titled "List of Independence Days" but Canada did not become independent on July 1 of any year. From 1867 into the early 20th century Canada was not considered an independent country at all; it had internal self-governance but defence and foreign policy were under British control until the Statute of Westminster 1931. --Mathew5000 10:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Afghanistan
Someone changed the entry for Afghanistan to "independence from Taliban in 2001"; I'm changing that to August 19, 1919, to accord with what the CIA World Fact Book says.[1] Previously this article had August 18 (not the 19th). --Mathew5000 00:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Could, of course, also be verified by simple memory for most of us, at least those of us who remember pre-2001 and know that Afghanistan was independent then. ;) (Afghanistan was, of course, independent the day before the Taliban seized power, the day after (just with a new, non-democratic government), the day before the Taliban recinded control, and the day after.) --Canuckguy 02:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] France
France did not become independent on a 14th of July, it has always been! The 14th of July celebrates the fall of the Bastille, a symbol of royal power; and more generally it celebrates the French revolution, and the end of Monarchy. So please remove France from this list!
[edit] New Zealand
I believe New Zealand should be on the list with the date it achieved dominion status both Canada and Australia are included on this list the day they achieved dominion status. Even though the true Independence process was slow in all three of these countries and perhaps that should be noted on this page. Excluding it from the list seems to imply it is not independent. (Boxyisaturtle 19:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC))
- I have now removed Australia and Canada from the list. Canada had just been added a few days ago by an unregistered editor [2]. Australia also must have been a recent addition. Or I should say re-addition, because I know I have deleted Australia and Canada in the past; see above on this Talk page (#Federation Day in Australia and #"Independence Day" for Canada -- totally wrong). The article defines the term "Independence Day" quite specifically: "an annual celebration commemorating the anniversary of a nation's assumption of independent statehood". To fulfil this definition, a day listed in the article must meet three criteria: (1) must be a celebration; (2) must be annual; and (3) must commemorate the day on which a country assumed independent statehood. The national holidays of Canada, Australia, and NZ do not meet that third criterion, because the days they respectively celebrate as a national holiday commemorate the day of becoming dominions. (A dominion was a type of entity within the British Empire that was largely self-governing — more so than a colony — but still a possession of the UK.) I disagree with your statement that excluding these countries from the list implies they are not independent. All it implies is that they do not celebrate independence "days". Many other countries are not on the list although they are clearly independent (Italy, for example). --Mathew5000 20:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Andorra is independent since the Middle Age
As seen in History of Andorra, that country never depended from Spain neither France. The given date may be the Constitution day (I'm not sure)
- I agree, being someone who was around before 1993 (and was a geography geek for about 10 eyars by that point as well), I can attest that Andorra was independent* before 1993, and would agree with the "middle ages" statement. (*clairification: Andorra's status still isn't as independent as, say, the US, or Madagascar, or Thailand, but it isn't any more or less independent than it was pre-1993.) --Canuckguy 02:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sweden does not have an independence day
Sweden does not have an independence day. The Kalmar Union was a very weak union, not as powerful as for example the European Union (everyone regards sweden as independent, even though we are members of EU). In reality Sweden has been independent ever since it was created. This should be changed, what do you guys think? If we change it, should Sweden be taken off the list completely or should there be some kind of not that sweden lack this kind of independence day? --Mailerdaemon 19:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Belgium independence also completely wrong!!
Please update the independence day of Belgium. The right date is the 21st of July!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.7.22.162 (talk) 14:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
