Talk:National Assembly for Wales election, 2007

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Contents 1 Others 2 Constituency Candidates 3 Boundaries 4 Regions and party lists 5 What happened to the images? 6 Blogs 7 'Opinion Polls' 8 What to include in regional lists (& Notional Election 2003) 9 English Democrats 10 Communist party of britain

[edit] Others

As we get closer to the elections we will be posed with the problem of the being more and more constiuencies with more than five candidates - that is more than one "other". This is already the case in Yyns Mon where the "other" presently listed is Jeff Evans [1]. However recently Peter Rogers [2] a former Conservative AM for North Wales announced he is to stand as an Independant- does this make him a more significant other and how should it be approached going forward as more conflicts like this occur? Cp6ap 23:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Constituency Candidates

Would it be possible to list the candidates by party (for instance like this)

Constituency	Con	Lab	Lib Dem	PC	Others

[edit] Boundaries

Constituency boundaries will change for the 2007 election, not 2011? And what about electoral regions? Laurel Bush 10:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Yes and no constituency boundaries at the edge of regions are being changed the only constituency boundary change that will effect a region is the creation of Dwyfor Meirionnydd which will be in Mid and West Wales despite including part of the soon-to-be-defunct Caernarfon constituency (which is currently in North Wales—so even less of North Wales will be in the North Wales constituency). [forgot about that one somehow...]—Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 12:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regions and party lists

The article should include info about regions and party lists. Constituencies elect only two-thirds of Assembly Members. Laurel Bush 14:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

I've added the BNP to the list, as they are fielding a full slate of candidates. SpringHeeledJack 13:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to the images?

What happened to the images that are not Rhodri Morgan? Ieuan Wyn Jones, Mike German and Nick Bourne are not featured on here with their images. Who the hell removed them and why? Amlder20 21:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Ive just written to Plaid Cymru to supply images of their members of free use to post hereDrachenfyre 10:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blogs

Should we add links to these? I found one or two that look interesting.Drachenfyre 11:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Opinion Polls'

The IWA forecast given in the article is just that -- a forecast, not a poll. AFAIK there have been no opinion polls for the Welsh Assembly election. I'll change the details; if opinion polls come out in the papers they can be added in a different section. Gareth 12:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I hven't been able to find any polls either. If I do, though, I think they should go together with this forecast because they are essentially about the same thing - predicting how the election will turn out. AndrewRT(Talk) 22:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I found some 'predictions' on the blogsite, but do not necessarily feel they should go in the artical because they were 'predicted' by intetested partiesDrachenfyre 08:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What to include in regional lists (& Notional Election 2003)

Is it necessary to add prospective reserve candidates to the regional party lists (i.e.: 5th and 6th place `candidates')? I intentionally didn't add those because I thought they weren't notable enough.

I've also noticed that Cllr. has started being prefixed to the names of candidates. Is this relevant and doesn't it go against rule 2 of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Honorific prefixes? AM is different because postnominals are allowed by MoS, and noting that they are currently members of the same assembly they are standing for is directly relevant.

On a related note, it might be a good idea, for those that are AMs, to note (with an asterisk or similar) if they are incumbents (for that region) as opposed to currently being AMs for a different region or constituency.

BTW, I was going to add footnote references to the table but I'm not sure how one does that without having lots of identical footnotes.

Also, am I the only one who doesn't understand why that section is titled Notional Election 2003 instead of Boundary changes?

--Regarding whether "prospective reserve candidates " should be added I'd say yes. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia so I would say say should seek to be comprehensive. If "prospective reserve candidates" go on to become full candidates in future elections then this will be useful information. It's also not out of the bounds of possibility that they may be called upon to be an AM. Several list AM's stood for Westminster in 2005 only losing narrowly - that combined with a death or regination for another reason and you might need a 5th placed list member. Cp6ap 09:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 18:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The term "notional election" was first termed in 1983 when the BBC combined with ITN to do a calculation for the 1979 election on the 1983 boundaries and has since stuck. Could I also ask that the data I have imported from Excel re the notionals in 2003 be wikified in the format shown (with colours if possible) Harry Hayfield 08:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I do know what it means; just couldn't find any notional results in the section. I will try to wikify now although I don't have long on this computer (in library).

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 10:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It is quite difficult to deal with the data as it is not delimited and does not match the format of our election data tables (which it needs to for consistency and so we can use the templates). It would be a great help if you re-inserted the data delimited (or, indeed, attempted to convert it to the format used for the 2003 NAW election). (Also see Template:Election Summary Begin and Template:Electiontable.) I have now found the data on their website [3] but it isn't particularly easy to deal with either. I will, however, add a reference.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 12:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I have figured out a way to show the info but why are the tables being shifted to the bottom of the page? Harry Hayfield 16:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English Democrats

Why exactly are they even standing?

Because of the Monmouthshire question. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monmouthshire They want a referendum on whether Monmouthshire wants to be Welsh or English. And as it is now in Wales, they need to stand for the Welsh Assembly in order to do that. Swahilli 23:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, but I thought they'd have needed to pursue that through Westminster would they not, considering the transfer Monmouthshire across the so-called 'border' would affect both Wales and England?

[edit] Communist party of britain

I dont see the candidates from this party

I found a list,

[4] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.111.117.66 (talk • contribs) 2007-03-31T19:35:42.

We've got a problem really, who gets listed in the regional list? I'd like to see Communist party of Britain included, but really them, the Socialist Alternative and BNP are hardly noteworthy enough yet to be included, unless we're going to add all of them (which would be crazy, given that they are already filling the full length of the page). Mikebloke 14:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC) additional: English Democrats too in the Wales south east list.

Why not add them, the BNP are on there, so why not the communist party?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.111.93.27 (talk • contribs) 2007-04-06T17:38:22.

Looking at the statement of candidates nominated for North Wales (not on the WWW yet but I'm sure some regions and constituencies are), there are quite a lot of parties: BNP, Conservatives, Communists, Christian People's Alliance, Greens, Labour, Plaid, SLP, UKIP, Welsh Christian Party, LibDems. If there isn't already a policy on this, I feel we should include them all to be fair and stop an edit war. We can always put the regional list tables the other way round (which would also make them a lot easier to edit) if the number of columns is an issue.

Does anyone disagree?

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 10:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Unless anyone can figure out a way to display all the parties (and any independents) without stretching the page, it'd be best to limit it to lab-lib-con-Plaid like the top of the page is. If we're going to do all of them however, how about reversing the system of the tables, so that the parties are listed in the rows rather than columns. It might even require using lists rather than tables. Mikebloke 12:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)