Help talk:Table

Do I need the "td and /td" at the start and end?

My width tags just make each column the same size. How do I make the row take the whole available line rather than the minimum available space, without abusing the cellpadding tag?

How do I get it to show up in the right place (tm)

[edit] Keeping data together

I'm working on a page for Weird Mystery Tales, an anthology comic with 3-4 features per issue. I modeled the table on the one for Marvel Presents, but the challenge here is making it clear which artist, writer, host, and note goes with each story. I couldn't find any help on the page. Asterisks as bullets faile, colons failed. Now it looks like Berni Wrightson drew "The Wizard's Gift", whcih wasn't credited, and probably from before Wrightson had a professional career. Scottandrewhutchins 16:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How do I merge boxes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarati_language#Simple

The 1st/2nd person singulars are the same, and the singular and plural 3rd persons are the same, so I'd like to merge them. How can that be done? Tuncrypt 11:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rows with different numbers of columns

I'm trying to make a table with six columns on top, and four on bottom. I've gone through everything, and I just can't make the bottom four expand to fill the whole table.

Here's the table: [[1]]

Feel free simply to edit it. I don't know what to do. Zweifel 02:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you wanted. But I took a stab at it and changed it in place. — EncMstr 03:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for taking a look. No, actually, I want to stretch out the bottom part to be as wide as the rest of the table. For some reason, Wikitext doesn't allow columns to be broken. Oh, and if possible I'd like the text to be as small as possible.

In fact, I hope this doesn't tick you off, but this is the exact opposite of what I wanted to do. It's just a whole separate table at the bottom now, the text is bigger, and the table itself is much larger because many of the entries take up more than one line. The whole point of stretching it out was to reduce space. I want it thin and elegant, with as little verticle space as possible.

I wanted to keep "Smaller Parties" as one bar across, and then below it have a four-column table (unlike the six above) as wide as the table above. Everything I tried either pushes it to the left or squeezes it in the middle. Is there some formatting where you can specify, "stretch"? ....Zweifel 03:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC) --..-- yeah, I hope that didn't tick you off. It's just that I worked on it four hours and it just wouldn't work. Damn I've had a long day.

Hey no problem. At least now it's clearer what you wanted—I think. On one hand you want it smaller, but on the other you want it wider? Breaking columns is a feature of tables: otherwise why use them?

So why not two tables? In my version, I put in a table width restriction to make the columns line up. How close are we if that is removed? (Take a look now.) — EncMstr 04:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sweet! Seriously. I guess I was just worried that by having two tables, something would go wrong. So the way it is now is pretty good. I'd like it if the borders were more clear, but whatever. The main thing is making the text smaller. Now, when I went to some random page to steal their table formatting, it came with the following: {| border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" class="references-small" style="border:1px solid #aaa; border-collapse:collapse". I'm not altogether sure how, but that made it smaller. Meanwhile, Wikipedia's website is so unconscionably slow right now -- I have no idea why -- which makes screwing around with these things much more taxing. So I put another version of the table below (if it ever loads, that is)...and hey! That looks pretty good! Go check it out! Other than the borders in the empty corner, that's pretty damn sweet. NICE!

So other than formatting the links and what not, I think we're good to go! Okay! So, I think it will take about 45 minutes to write. Stay tuned for The Transformation of Italian Politics, 1990-1996!

Thanks again for your help, man. ...Zweifel 07:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Text in the vertical direction

I'm working on a table for census questions. Some of the questions are long but the answer is very short. For instance I'd like a collum header to say "Age at first marriage" and then below will be entered 19, or 25. To keep from using excess space I'd like the header to run vertically up the screen. Is there a way to do that? Fern Forest 06:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean like this?:

Age at first marriage	Another long question	Yet another long question	etc. another long question
19	27	54⅜	17.29
25	42	108	343
etc.	etc.	etc.

— EncMstr 06:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually I'd like the text to read from the bottom up, much as this text is from the left to the right. Enabling the first column to be only 2 or 3 digits in width.

I suppose I could make a gif image of the text and get that in there but I was hoping there'd be a simpler style command.Fern Forest 03:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand. Is there an example you can point to? — EncMstr 04:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Fern Forest 05:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Now it's clear. I don't know of a way for a table (wiki or HTML) to do that. I looked for it being done successfully, but couldn't find any examples. I checked the math expression writer, the html references, and tried several mad science experiments with wikitables. Sorry. — EncMstr 06:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your effort. I guess I'll put it in as a feature request. Fern Forest 08:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Syntax for applying styles to all table rows and/or table cells?

I'm wondering if there is a way using wiki syntax and using inline CSS and not a stylesheet to specify styles for all resultant <tr> and/or all resultant <td> in one place as opposed to having to copy for each row and/or cell? MikeSchinkel 07:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Background Images

How do I give a table a background image? All the CSS values I can think of seem to be blocked from usage.--mm3guy 17:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dreamweaver Extension?

Is there an extension for Dreamweaver or any other standard webpage editor that will code tables (or any other wikified HTML elements) in Wiki syntax? Please reply to my account by email - I'm very interested in this. --Erielhonan 01:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to make a long list have two columns so that you cut down on length?

Ok. I got this table as below. It is very long. So I want it to have two sets of columns. Instead of there being just 'year' and 'album', I want it to have 'year', 'album', 'year', 'album', so the long table becomes half the original length. You get what I mean? Do you know how to do this? Gimme somma idea. Thx. AppleJuggler 08:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Like this:

etc.etc. But if you want to know - probably - if it is possible to make it automatically - I would like toknow it as well. -jkb- 08:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

That's right. I was thinking if it could be done automatically, rather than manually as you've done (perhaps by inserting some special function like {col=2} or something like that). Thanks for the format you provided though, I think I will use it for the time being! AppleJuggler 05:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improving lay-out

Can anybody have a look at the template used at 2006 European Athletics Championships? When it comes to the event by event medal sections there is a difference between the widths of the gold/silver and bronze sections. It also varies when you add another similar table for instance when adding a womens section. In that case the both tables vary in total width, but also the width between gold/silver/bronze in the same table as in the other table are different everywhere. I was wondering whether this could be improved so these tables would give the same widths all the time, which in my opinion would look a lot better. Thanks, SportsAddicted | discuss 12:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] class="wikitable sortable"

There is nothing here about the new sortable tables. Can someone please add instructions on how to use it, as I currently have no idea, and it would be very useful for our WikiProject. -Runningonbrains 18:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

See Help:Sorting.--Patrick 14:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mirror Line with column

i got a list of 40 words in alphabetic order. If i do a table with say 5 columns the words appear alphabetic in a line. But i want the words to be alpabetic in a column. How can this be done, without mixing up the alphabetic list? I want to "mirror" the line with the column. I want the words to be alphabetic in a column because, the gaps between the words in a line differ, the gaps in a column are always the same. So it would be easyer to read the alphabetic list column by column. Can someone please help? The gaps between the the columns are the same because i used width="200pt".

-- 172.158.6.149 19:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Few Qs

Ok, so first question: is there an easy way to make sure the columns are the same width?

Yes, specify the width as a attribute. See the previous topic source (click on "edit") for an example of five columns forced to 200 pixel width.

Second: Can you say a column shoud be X% of the entire table?

I don't think so directly. But indirectly, each can be set to a percent of the available width for the table.

Third: Can you say I want this table in the center, but it should not float

That's explained in Help:Table#Centering_tables, though the solution is obscure.

Fourth: What is class (I think it's class, at one point in the multiplication table it says something like class="wikitable")?

It invokes a collection of styles for elements like border style, width, font, color, etc. Dig through your (and the system) monobook.css and the various .css's invoked to find the defined elements and other possible class styles.

Thanks for any help! Danielfolsom 03:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. —EncMstr 18:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HTML - much easier

The point of Wiki Code is to make it easier for non technical users - but in this case HTML is so much easier. I so no point of the pipeline syntax. Comperr 23:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I find HTML easier for any task than any other code. Its quick, easy and does the job quick.. The tables on wikipedia are so complex..i just ignore them! Fethroesforia 01:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help

So this page says you should put quotes around everything (like border="1") - but for some reason on this page (my own) whenever I put quotes around the values it doesn't work (and when I take out all the quotes it does) - feel free to fool around with it, as long as it can wind up how it was - (Note:the ones that significantly change things are border, cellpadding, and the rowspan of the long section). --Daniel()Folsom ^T|_C|^U 17:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed in Principles of User Interface Design

I toyed with the tables, but couldnt get them working properly. Help is appreciated. --Ronz 17:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I took one guess at what might have been intended. —EncMstr 17:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ronz 19:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Table in If statement

I am trying to put wiki table in #if: statement but when a value for the variable is not found or a space character is found instead of skiping the display of any cell at all, I get empty cells. In many working templates, I have seen that instead of wiki table, HTML table is used in #if:

Are there any technical obstacles in using wikitable with wiki syntax's If statement? Is it necessary to use HTML table in If statement?

Szhaider 06:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I want different sized cells in each row

I would like to have different sized cells in each row (width only). Is this possible? I would like each cell to be the size of its contents, not the size of the largest cell in that column. - Peregrine Fisher 19:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm unclear what you mean. Assuming you wrote exactly what you meant, here's what it seems to say:

Is that right? —EncMstr 02:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks exactly how I would like it to look, but it's doing it by having multiple tables. I want to combine this with the new class="sortable" function, and I think this won't work with that. - Peregrine Fisher 17:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Efficient way to add rows or columns to a table requested

Hi! I'm looking for a way to easily edit a table I made here: from time to time I add new columns (i.e. new adjectives) and this takes more and more time as the table grows bigger. What is the fastest way to add scientific adjectives (i.e. vertical columns) to the table and keep the alphabetical order? For now I copy/paste all new items to the columns of all sciences.. Help is much appreciated, please reply here and/or below. Thanks! Best regards, Brz7 18:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it the case that new adjectives are added more frequently than new disciplines? In that case, invert the table so only a row need be added for a new adjective, a trivial edit.

If that's not acceptable, use an HTML editor on the table to add a new column, then save the HTML markup for the table. There are some HTML to wikitable markup converters available, if you want the article to be written that way, but HTML table markup works too on a wiki page. —EncMstr 01:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes the second scenario is the case: I found a HTML to Wikitable convertor (HTML::WikiConverter, hopefully it works nicely) which I'll use next time I'll edit the table. Best regards, Brz7 14:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I would like a blue bullet in my table

Is there any way to get make a standard blue bullet in a table, one that looks like:

• <-this

- Peregrine Fisher 20:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can. Just use image:Monobook-bullet.png. —EncMstr 22:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I put it together with class="sortable" and <span style="display:none"> and some other stuff and have created a frankenstein table that looks like a sortable imdb filmography here. - Peregrine Fisher 23:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Differences between browsers

Sometimes I make a table look good in my browser (Opera), and when I check it in another browser, it doesn't look right. Basically, Opera and IE seem to match up well, but then Firefox will display it very poorly. here is an example that fixes it for firefox. Basically, the width of the columns has to be specified. Now, this messes up the table in Opera, which is OK I guess because we're so few in number. Is there some general explanation so I can work in an informed manner without having to check a page in each browser? Also, it seems silly that firefox can't display a table which autosizes its columns, or is this our fault? - Peregrine Fisher 00:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the problem is. I looked at several recent versions of List of Drake & Josh episodes and didn't seen any layout difference in Firefox 2.0, IE 6.0, and SeaMonkey. I varied my browser width from 500px wide up to 1280px in each case, and tried it logged in as well as anonymously. What does "not look right" mean? —EncMstr 01:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

In Opera, this version; the furthest right cell in the top row in each entry (containing: "Pilot" January 11, 2004 101 1 1) doesn't align on the right with the cell on the bottom (containing: Drake gets shocked when he moves in with Josh, and he mocks him with his hysterical secret.) Maybe Template:Episode list needs to be adjusted. Opera is like 1% or browsers, so it doesn't matter much. This version in firefox doesn't show the cell seperators for the first five entries or the header, then shows them for the sixth entry. - Peregrine Fisher 02:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikitable sortable

Where can I go to make a suggestion for wikitable sortable? I think it could be quite usefull for lists of titles (films, novels, etc.), but I was wondering if it's possible to have it ignore the words "the", "a", and so on at the beginning of the title, as is commonly done when sorting films alphabetically. Esn 07:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You can do it ugly style with <span style="display:none">what_you_want_it_sorted_by</span>what_shows_up. I did a little test run incorporated into a template at User:Peregrine Fisher/Workspace/ActingFilmography-tv, with the result being the first tabel at User:Peregrine Fisher/Workspace/Testpage. - Peregrine Fisher 08:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Multiple tables in one row

I have a table that's rather long and narrow (only two columns). I'd like to split it in two parts and display them side by side, so instead of one table that's a page long and big empty space next to it I have two shorter tables running in parallel. What's the best way to do this? --Itinerant1 19:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki markup Table

What the hell has happened to the Wiki markup type table. Has the formatting changed ? It looks awful and was much better the way it was before. 195.137.109.177 10:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where is help for class="wikitable"?

Hi. This page is obviously rather out of date, considering that all over the wikipedia nearly all tables in heavily-maintained pages have been updated to make use of class="wikitable." But for those of us who don't really know much about CSS, where on earth is the basic page for class="wikitable" styles? Doops | talk 08:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)