Talk:Trekkie
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[edit] AS connection?
"it is widely believed that Trekkies experience a high incidence of Asperger's Syndrome."
- I'd love to see this documented - or even a citation for this! It seems like utter nonsense, as Asperger's Syndrome is widely unknown.
John Elder 05:45, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I agree. The claim is very dubious. I'm taking it out until there is a source.--198.93.113.49 17:07, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Okay, it's still there, and I'm not seeing a source.
Asperger speculation citation provided.
Davidkevin 22:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
- The source provided doesn't provide any sort of statistical data to show why Trekkies would be more prone to Asperger's, or even that they are more prone to Asperger's in the first place. It mentions Star Trek once in a side bar and states clearly that Attwood's comment was "speculation" and was "half in jest." Does this "controversy" really belong in the article? It seems to be making too much of a fuss out of an insignificant comment that can only be verified by a newspaper from a small tourist town in Maine... I personally feel the entire topic should be removed unless some scientific reasoning and evidence can be procured... RufusX 04:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm not a Trekkie, but I don't see why that belongs. People seem to think that any subject which touches another should be mentioned in both articles. That's not necessarily so. Let's imagine a minor band, "Band X". They have just about enough notability to warrant a Wikipedia article. Band X record a cover version of the Beatles song Yesterday. Band X's article will now reference The Beatles, of course it will. But do we need to mention Band X in the Beatles article? A lot of editors - especially those with POV issues or who are on the fandom trail - will mistakenly think yes, whereas of course the answer should be an obvious "no".
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- Coming back to this case, Trekkies may be relevant to Attwood's argument, but I don't think Attwood is hugely relevant to Star Trek. It's probably a little more so than my cover version example, however, which is why I would look at putting the bare minimum in - perhaps a See Also link, or one sentence only. We have wiki links; we don't need to duplicate content across articles. If the reader is interested in Attwood's ideas they can click on the link. --kingboyk 10:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of Celebrity Trekkies
How long should the list be? Here's a link upon my Trekkie message board pertaining thereto...
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- Here's Takara's latest...
* Colin Powell * Dahlai Lama * Tom Hanks * Dr. Mae Jamieson * Neil Armstrong * Jean Simmons (actress) * Paul Sorvino * Mira Sorvino * Berkeley Breathed (cartoonist - Opus, Bloom County) * Bill Amend (cartoonist - Fox Trot) * Seth McFarlane (creator of Family Guy) * Bill Gates * Al Gore * Eddie Murphy * Jason Alexander * Dr. Stephen Hawking * Scott Adams (cartoonist - Dilbert) * Isaac Asimov * Laurell K. Hamilton * Douglas Adams * Carol Moseley Braun * Christan Slater * Whoopi Goldberg * Most, if not all, of NASA * Most, if not all, of Microsoft * George Noory * Art Bell * Marc Scott Zicree * Ben Browder * Rockne S. O'Bannon * Charles M. Schulz * King Abdullah of Jordan * Vin Diesel * John Glenn * Mel Gibson * Sally Ride * Mick Fleetwood * James Worthy * Bebe Neuworth * Kelsey Grammer * Tom Morello * Martin Luther King Jr. * Arthur C. Clarke * Rod Serling * Trey Parker * Matt Stone * Howard Stern * Will Smith * Iggy Pop * Ben Stiller * Conan O'Brien * Kirstie Alley * Tom Bergeron * Beastie Boys * Kevin Newman * Richard Dean Anderson * Drew Carey * Eric McCormack * Weird Al Yankovic * Joss Whedon * Mel Brooks * Robert Atkins * Kathy Lee Gifford * Paul "Big Show" Wight * George Lucas * Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson * Tim Allen * Neal McDonough * Barry Manilow * Robin Williams * Paul McGillion * Jim Meddick (cartoonist - Monty) * Dave Foley * David Hewlett * Number of people at Pixar Animation * late Douglas Adams * Alan Keyes (Repulican Senate candidate, Illinois) * Dennis Haysbert * Brad Paisley * Jim Davidson * Jonathan Ross * The Wiggles * Someone working on the kids' series Big Comfy Couch * Jane Wiedlin (formerly of the GoGo's) * David Reddick (cartoonist) * Kevin Sorbo * Tony Danza * Bryan Singer * David X. Cohen * Alec Newman * Someone in charge at Beavis and Butthead * Jon Stewart * Rick Rashid * Steven Harper
DrWho42 04:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Mmm, sorry that I didn't know about this article before posting the above. DrWho42 04:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] TREKFAN
I don't want to be known as a Trekkie OR a Trekker!! I don't care where Lt. Barclay was born or Spock's last name. I just enjoy the great stories in the shows. They are fine drama that happen to take place in the 'sci-fi' future. So---I want to anounce here and now that I AM A TREKFAN!! T`sitra Yel Darb 19:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Here's the way I've always described it...I'm not a Trekkie....I'm a Trekker -- meaning I actually have a life outside of ST. (Of course, the fact that I met my wife of, so far, 15 years through a Rrek writing club weakens the argument, but you get the idea! You could tell how our real-world relationship was going by reading how our characters interacted!)
[edit] Deleted list of well-known Trekkies
This already has its own article and therefore does not belong here, except in a 'see also' section. Furthermore, as illustrated above on this talk page, there is no good way to determine how long it should be or who should or should not be included in this list. Therefore I have removed the list. As of 2/20/06, it read like this:
==Well-known Trekkies==
:Main article: List of notable Star Trek fans
Well-known trekkies include: *Bjo Trimble, who helped spearhead the letter writing campaign that convinced NBC to continue Star Trek for a third season *Gabriel Köerner, who was also a profilee on Trekkies; he went on to guest star on The Drew Carey Show and as the "Star Trek Geek" on the game show Beat the Geeks *Bob Rajic, who had cosmetic surgery to look like William Shatner and was the subject of the film Auto Destruct: One Man's Obsession with William Shatner
Celebrity Star Trek fans include: *Isaac Asimov *Tom Bergeron, host of Hollywood Squares and America's Funniest Home Videos, guest star on Enterprise *Phillip J. Fry, fictitious character on Futurama *Bill Gates, who dressed up as Spock one Halloween *Whoopi Goldberg, who played the role of Guinan in Star Trek: The Next Generation *Al Gore, former Vice President of the United States *Kelsey Grammer, who guest starred in the Next Generation epidode "Cause and Effect" and performed an uncredited voiceover in Star Trek: First Contact *Tom Hanks, who was considered for the role of Zefram Cochrane in Star Trek: First Contact, but had to turn it down due to a conflict *Stephen Hawking, who played himself on the Next Generation episode "Descent" *Dennis Haysbert, actor on 24 *Seth MacFarlane, creator of and voices on Family Guy, and two-time guest star on Enterprise *Eddie Murphy, who nearly starred in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home *Richard Rashid *Ben Stiller, actor, writer, and comedian *Bryan Singer, director of The Usual Suspects, the first two X-Men films and Superman Returns. Singer actually had a brief cameo as a bridge officer in Star Trek: Nemesis.
Instead, let's add a "See also" section and put the reference there. Makaristos 01:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
-- It appears even the separate article has been deleted. What gives? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.36.177.44 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 20 October 2006.
- I reinstated a section, with a quote about one such fan (with reference). I leave it to others to cite sources for others who might merit a mention. 72.244.206.119 13:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] citations needed, citation style off
okay, tons of stuff in here was obviously made working from a book or article, but that article doesn't have it's place in the references section. Needs to be fixed. Lotusduck 22:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] among other ridiculous assertions
More as a comment in the approach to Trek documentation [and undoubtedly most fictional works documented on Wikipedia], these kinds of statements not only fall under "OR," but it does the term "research" a bad turn:
"They probably own, or perhaps have helped create, the blueprints for various Federation starships, have explanations for all apparent contradictions, such as why in Next Generation episode 5.24, "The Next Phase," in which some characters were incorporeal beings, they could still breathe and were affected by artificial gravity and floors."
And the idea of "notable star trek fans" in an article that mentions at length the pejorative aspect of the phrase seems little more than an attempt at glorification, seeing as I'm sure there are "notable" fans for a lot of the fictional works here on wikipedia and yet those lists do not exist; not to say that the absence in itself does all the telling, but I imagine there'd be quite some resistance if one were to, say, add a list of "notable shakespeare fans," or, perhaps more relevant to "pop" culture, "notable star wars fans," or batman, or [insert whatever the hell].russ. 12:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trekkie vs. Trekker
I have moved this material here:
For adherents to Star Trek canon, the case that "Trekkie" is the correct term was settled once and for all by Roger Nygard, the director of the 1997 documentary film Trekkies. In a post on the official website for the documentary, Nygard cited Gene Roddenberry's former assistant and Star Trek researcher as the source for the following:
- Gene (Roddenberry) didn't recognize the term "Trekker" however. Somebody once corrected him when he used "Trekkie" on stage. He responded, "Excuse me, did you say 'TrekkER?' The word is 'TrekkIE.' I should know, I created them."[1]
...until such time as a second, separate source can be found for this statement. There have been assertions that this person cited by Mr. Nygard frequently put his own words into Gene Roddenberry's mouth, as it were, especially during Mr. Roddenberry's last years of declining health and memory, using Roddenberry's name to foster his own agenda with regard to Star Trek. -- Davidkevin 20:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
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- PARAGRAPH SEPARATOR -- IGNORE EXCEPT FOR THAT PURPOSE. -- Davidkevin 20:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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Trekphiler added this:
- ""Trekker" is usually used as a term for the dedicated Star Trek fan with considerable knowledge of the show. The obsessive fan (so considered even amongst Trekkers) with encyclopedic knowledge of show lore, who can identify episodes by the color of the sky, is known as a "Trekist"."
based on the book by the two women who organized the first Trek con. Unfortunately, I haven't got it in front of me, so I can't cite it. Can somebody credit it? Trekphiler 09:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Well that's just scary :) Avt tor 09:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I've been an active Star Trek fan for 35 years, and not once have I ever heard or seen anyone use the term "Trekist" until reading Trekphiler's paragraph. -- Davidkevin 20:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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