Talk:Flag of the Soviet Union

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Are the flags shown here really correct? Flags of the World, which is usually a reliable source, shows a proportionately much larger hammer and sickle symbol (and gives its exact size on the construction details page). --Zundark 16:32, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Not sure. The images everywhere are too different. And I don't have a handy reference with a genuine official image.

Anyway, those flag images were removed some time ago, and the flag currently shown in the article does not have the problem. --Zundark 17:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, when was the reverse made red without symbols? Was it 1980 or was it that way before too? Paranoid 21:49, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have video from a military parade in 1987. It shows the Soviet flag on top of the Kremlin without the hammer and sickle on the reverse. I also doubt the first flag that is shown was ever made. I will try to get better drawings of the flags sometime soon. Zscout370 19:31, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First 1923 Flag

To be honest with yall, I do not think this flag existed. The Coat of Arms depicted on this flag is the arms they used before the fall of the USSR. To my knowledge, less than 10 republics were in it. Zscout370 21:55, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I looked back and based on this:

At the First Congress of Soviets of the USSR it was said that 'the red banner was transformed from the symbol of the Party to the symbol of a state, and around that flag gathered the peoples of the soviet republics to unite into one state - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'. On 30 December 1922 the Congress adopted a Declaration and Agreement on the establishment of the USSR. Article 22 of the Agreement states: 'the USSR has a flag, coat of arms and a state seal.'

The description of the first flag of USSR was given in the Constitution, accepted in the second session of the CIK of the USSR on 6 July 1923. The text of article 71 states: 'The state flag of the Union of SSR consists of a red or scarlet field with states coat of arms'. It was ordered from a prestigious factory. It had unusual proportions: the ratio of width to length was 1:4. However, such a flag was never made.

In the third session of the CIK of the USSR on 12 November 1923, the description of Soviet flag in the Constitution was changed, and article 71 was edited to be: 'The state flag of the Union of SSR consists of a red or scarlet field, and in the canton a golden sickle and hammer, and a red five-pointed star bordered in gold above them. The ratio of width to length is 1:2.'

Would say that it should be included, but I will re-write the entry to give more of this information and background, particularly that this flag was adopted, but never produced. Lestatdelc 22:40, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

• • Thanks. That is probably why I doubted it's existance, since I never seen that flag in photos. I also wish to comment that the Soviet flag is not the Banner (Flag) of Victory. I will try to make that page up as soon as I can. Zscout370 23:04, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yev900 00:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC) THIS ISNT RIGHT Yev900 00:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

in 1923 only 4 republics were present the flag shown in the article has all 15,

besides I am a Soviet expert and I do research in that area I have never seen a flag like that

i recommend the early RSFSR flag be added

Others have said this, but small clarification: the Soviet COA had red ribbons with the text "Ploretarians of the world, unite" in the languages of the SSR-s. The COA on the "original flag" shown here has 15 ribbons for the republics, but there weren't as many republic in the 1920s. So this flag must be incorrect, probably someone has just copy-pasted the later COA to a red background. 80.235.61.242 19:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. On one of the ribbon it's written in Moldovan Cyrillic, but that alphabet was invented only ten years later. bogdan 15:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Victory Banner

Excerpt from the article:
"On April 15, 1996 Boris Yeltsin signed a presidential decree giving the Soviet flag (called the Victory Banner, after the banner that was raised above the Reichstag on May 1, 1945) status similar to that of the national flag. The difference is that the hammer and sickle has been removed from the flag. On certain holidays, the Victory Banner is flown along with the Russian flag. Under President Putin, the Victory Banner was adopted as the official flag of the Russian Army."

However, to the immediate right of that paragraph is a picture with the caption "Victory Banner", which contains the hammer and sickle. Which one tells the truth? Kareeser|^Talk! 02:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The article was indeed confusing, but I've already corrected it. If you an even better explanation see the page I created: Victory Banner.The russian leader 19:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)