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Contents 1 Article should not take precedence 2 Bias Towards the Yankees 3 Max? 4 Reputation 5 Spelling: "FOX" or "Fox" 6 Fox kids section 7 Launch 8 Criticism section 9 FBC 10 Infobox 11 FOX Sports/Malcolm in the Middle 12 List of shows cancelled on Fox? 13 Book section... 14 Sports Coverage 15 Things that need to go 16 Schedule grid 17 O'Reilley? 18 Questionable line 19 Add most-watched programs of the network per season since 2001-2002? 20 Schedule information

[edit] Article should not take precedence

Why when I searched for "Fox" did this article come up and the other uses of the word get relegated to the disambiguation page? The animal "fox" is the primary meaning of this word and a search of "fox" should be directed to the article devoted to the animal. This article should go to the disambiguation page, as it is a secondary meaning of the term.--209.115.235.79 17:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The animal comes up with I type "fox" and "Fox". Did you type "FOX", for example? Lambertman 17:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias Towards the Yankees

The Artical mentions that FOX Baseball is bias towards the Yankees. I belive the complete opposite. Especially in Yankees, Red Sox games the FOX announcers are extremely bias in favor of the Red Sox. It reached it's peak during the Yankees collapse in the 2004 American League Championship Series.

[edit] Max?

This article refers to the "big four" networks including something called Max. This can't be a reference to Cinemax, they're a cable network. And the link just goes to a graphics program. Was this a troller?

It looks like it was a little bit of stealth vandalism. Thanks for mentioning it. :-) --NormanEinstein July 4, 2005 13:23 (UTC)

[edit] Reputation

Surely there is room to mention the reputation of the FOX Network in this article. In its relatively short history (compared to the other three major networks) it has established itself as a well-known purveyor of controversial shows designed to shock some and appeal to, well, the "lowest common denominator." With the recent boom of "reality" TV, FOX's reputation for "shock" has become even more notable.

This can be said in a more NPOV manner but the reputation is real; I'm not just railing against FOX here. Indeed, it might be interesting to compare the "conservative" FOX News Channel with the "salacious" FOX Channel. --Feitclub 01:18, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

• • Agreed. :)--Firsfron 18:27, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Seems to me that FOX takes chances and has taken advantage of niches. FOX News bucks what some would call "liberal media bias" and carved out a segment among conservatives. On the other hand, FOX network has taken chances on programming, which led to some fantastic success stories (The Simpsons, 24, Married with Children) and some disasterous failures. In both cases, they made themselves "different" than the other three networks. Indeed, it isn't a bad idea for a network that still has less original programming than the other three (due to their 10:00 news hour). With FOX, I think you can be assured of something different, and it isn't always the kind of shows. 24 went for a real-time thriller, then was put into "uninterrupted" season mode, starting in January and not taking a week off. In contrast, Prison Break started in August, is running for 13 episodes, then giving a 6 month cliffhanger ending from the end of November until resumption in May with the final 9 episodes. Jclinard 06:03, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling: "FOX" or "Fox"

How is "FOX" or "Fox" spelled? With lowercase or with uppercase letters?

Either way is correct. Georgia guy 21:07, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fox kids section

That Fox Kids section shouldn't really be there on the page. It should have it's own page however(if it dosn't already.)

Even though there is another page for Fox Kids, this page incorrectly lists VR Troopers as a Fox Kids show. It was only aired in syndication. It's not listed on the main Fox Kids page, but it's still listed here.

[edit] Launch

The launch dates are conflicting.

[edit] Criticism section

The section of criticism, particularly the sports part, seem to be shown in an anti-Fox sense. Not that I disagree, but we shouldn't be putting people or companies down here... CrazyC83 22:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, I have edited the article to NPOV. I deleted the sports section because there is no way of stating that without a POV. non_NPOV tag removed. Flying Canuck 03:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, but what about something relating to the irritating way Fox pre-empts beloved programming blocks with sports?

They've been doing that for years, not just in 2005. Like the way the Treehouse of Horror special ends up airing in November, because of World Series coverage. --Madchester 08:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Good job on the NPOV article on sports criticism. It's a lot better than what I did ;) --UberSkelator 05:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Quick question — Why is much of this section in the article in bold and italics? It seems it would be distracting to the casual reader. ArkansasTraveler 22:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Looks like it was just somebody's formatting mistake. I fixed it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 15:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Criticism of FOX's presentation of many of their shows may be accurate to differing degrees, but the paragraph is given away as POV by the statement "misrepresentation of the characters' personalities." Argument over a representation of character traits can be only POV, by definition. --4.225.19.197 23:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FBC

I remember watching the premiere episode of Joan Rivers' show on the premiere date and the network ID was given, in a large logo before the start of the program, as FBC, *not* Fox. As I didn't have means to record this, I can't back up what I say, alas. Perhaps this only last 1 night, as the network was very quickly re-titled Fox, but it did announce itself as FBC at the beginning.

You're right. It was "FBC" on-air until they started the Sunday prime-time lineup. Lambertman 14:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Question: Where it says availability is says: National; also distributed in Canada, Mexico and certain other North American countries. Isn't Canada, the US and Mexico all of North America? Should it be change to South America? I know that they show it in Argentina. I won't change it until someone else agrees. Gadig 22:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FOX Sports/Malcolm in the Middle

Is this really required? Kind of POV, plus, if at all, should be at Malcolm in the Middle. 68.215.48.67 17:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I removed it because it just seemed like an anti-Fox diatribe by a Malcolm fan, even though I did make an adjustment at first. ErikNY 14:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of shows cancelled on Fox?

Should there be a list of shows that was cancelled? Shows seem to come and go a LOT on Fox, and it would be nice to see a list of cancelled shows, as per the Family Guy season premiere of one of the previous seasons. Here's the transcript: http://www.familyguyfreak.com/

Peter Griffin: Everybody I've got bad news. We've been cancelled.

Lois Griffin: Oh no Peter! How could they do that?

Peter Griffin: Well unfortuantely Lois, there's just no more room on the schedule. We just gotta accept the fact that FOX has to make room for terrific shows like Dark Angel, Titus, Undeclared, Action, That 80's Show, Wonder Falls, Fast Lane, Andy Richter Controls The Universe, Skin, Girl's Club, Cracking Up, The Pitts, Firefly, Get Real, Freaky Links, Wanda At Large, Costello, The Lone Gunman, A Minute with Stan Hooper, Normal Ohio, Pasadena, Harsh Realm, Keen Eddy, The Street, American Embassy, Cedric The Entertainer, The Tick, Louie, And Greg The Bunny....

Lois Griffin: Is there no hope?

Peter Griffin: Well I suppose if ALL those shows go down the tubes we might have a shot.

[edit] Book section...

I removed this section and added a further reading section linking to the books. Here is the removed content:

Fox's brief history and rapid rise as a television network has been the subject of two books. The first book, Outfoxed, ISBN 0312039042, was originally published in 1990, and details the network's beginning and little else, as the network was only a couple years old at the time. The second book, Daniel M. Kimmel's The Fourth Network, ISBN 1566635721, was published in 2004, and details the complete history of the network (up to the 2003-04 television season).

This information should probably be added to the respective article pages: Outfoxed (book), The Fourth Network.

[edit] Sports Coverage

What's the point of this statement: "While Fox does air sports programming, unlike ABC, NBC and CBS, Fox rarely airs sports programming (except during the NFC Playoffs) on both Saturdays and Sundays and they do not air sports all afternoon on weekends given the limited amount of sports programming Fox carries (which is limited to NFL games from the NFC conference, NASCAR races and Major League Baseball). Though in retrospect, the Big Three does not air sports programming all afternoon on weekends either on some dates. In some cases, ABC does not air sports programming at all on some Saturdays or Sundays."

It has so many exeptions that it is entirely pointless.--Nick Dillinger 08:08, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Things that need to go

Here are the edits I'm planning. Discuss away...

1) Re: opening paragraph listing major stars FOX gave their start to: every network has featured someone on one of their shows that later became hugely famous (NBC - Tom Hanks on "Bosom Buddies"; ABC - Jerry Seinfeld on "Benson", et al.). And those folks probably appeared elsewhere as well. There's no need to credit a network with a list of people who appeared on their shows, especially when said shows are most often produced and cast by a third party. (There's a similar bit on The WB's page that needs to go, too.)

2) "FOX cancels shows." OK, Fox does have an itchy trigger finger, but all the networks have had the same predilections the last few years as competition has heated up from each other and from cable. I can see listing the ones that have brought the largest outcries - Firefly, Tru Calling, Dark Angel and Wonderfalls - but beyond that, this is simply people seeing a chance to mourn their favorite shows. (I'd note that FOX hasn't had higher ratings on Friday night than they had with "Greed", but we don't even need THAT in the main article.) Not to mention, some of these shows aired for more than a full season, which makes the complaints even more ridiculous. "Boston Public"?!? Four years, if I recall. I loved "Arrested Development", but it got 2.5 seasons and never drew decent ratings.

As an aside: "genre" is not a synonym for "sci-fi/fantasy", and I don't know how the heck that ever took hold in internet language. Lambertman 15:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Boston Public wasn't given a proper send-off; it had no final episode to wrap up anything. Still, given the several years it was on as you said, it can probably be removed from the list.--GeneralDuke 17:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I like the cut-down of the edits, but I would like to see the station branding sections and O&O news sections retained, either within this article or in a separate article (such as Fox Network Affiliate Branding, Fox News (local stations) or names of that sort), they were well-written sections that just got too big for this article and Fox's O&O newscasts are becoming uniform enough to warrant a heading of their own. Nate 03:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schedule grid

Seems silly to include the late-night lineup - it shrinks the primetime to almost unreadability , and six nights out of seven it's nothing but "local programming." (Same goes for NBC) Lambertman 20:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] O'Reilley?

Seems odd to see Giraldo mentioned but not O'Reilley.

This is Fox TV, not Fox News Channel. Also, please sign your statements by typing ~~~~. Lambertman 13:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable line

I think the line "During this time, Fox also featured weekly lowbrow shows such as World's Wildest Police Videos and When Animals Attack." is pretty biased. Is it lowbrow? Yes. Should we call it that in wikipedia? I don't think so. Mikelj 03:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Add most-watched programs of the network per season since 2001-2002?

I recently added a table of the most-watched programs of the network of the 2001-2002 season. I meant to include the TV seasons following 2001-2002, up until the present. However, another Wiki user had deleted it shortly thereafter. My question to anyone here is should tables of the most-watched programs per season since 2001-2002 be included? I believe that such an addition is informative and an interesting read. Let me know what you think. -- Dechnique23 00:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schedule information

The section as it has been presented is perilously close to violating WP:NOT, in that it almost becomes a TV Guide of sorts. I have made a few modifications, primarily to the January listing information to better conform to the standards noted by WP:NOT and subsequent discussions (which occurred in AFDs for station listings for each of the six broadcast television networks a few weeks ago). While the information is good information (especially for a television geek like me that works in the business), if it violates WP standards, then it needs to be reworked to better serve the purposes and guidelines of WP. --Mhking 21:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I just see it as a place where all of the current programming is organized in one place, similar to a page like 2006-07 United States network television schedule, just split into each network, with the other information there as programming notes. The stuff you deleted, however useful it may be, is probably a good idea not to have on Wikipedia since those points are pretty much like TV Guide. I would have to admit, though, that I am a little biased based on the fact that I created the schedule grids for the "Big Four" networks. Bmitchelf 01:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I certainly understand, and appreciate the work. I've been trying not to remove the gist of the information you've obviously worked so hard on. I have been trying to become a bit more vague (and in term, at least hopefully, a bit more encyclopedic) with the descriptions there. --Mhking 01:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)