Talk:Gymnasium (school)
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In the Netherlands, there is no such thing as a matura or abitur. At the end of 6 years there's only a normal set of exams, just like other school types.
Also, the only difference between a gymnasium and an atheneum (the two varieties of VWO (preparatory scientific education)) is that in gymnasium Latin and Greek (ancient that is) are taught. I could add this, but I'm not sure where to put it and where to move the abitur/matura info to. Is that specific to Germanic countries? -- Kimiko 20:25 Apr 27, 2003 (UTC)
Can anyone establish precisely where these terms are used? The only article we have on the Matura is about Austria. It was at Matura (Austria), but since there was nothing at Matura, I moved it there. If the term is also used in other places, the page can be moved back and a disambiguation page put at Matura. Having that page empty is not sensible... -- Oliver P. 14:20 26 May 2003 (UTC)
- Sweden abolished the special examinations of the secondary education in the 1960s. Until that time it was refered to as "Gymnasieexamen". "Matura" and "Abitur" are German language terms. -- Mic 14:50 26 May 2003 (UTC)
- I did the Matura in Austria and never heard anyone call it Reifeprüfung so I changed it. --80.110.75.104
- The word Matura is also used elsewhere, but in the same meaning I guess. --Shallot
Add freely Serbia and Montenegro - 4 years, starting at 14/15, ending with matura.
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[edit] Gymnasium in Denmark.
Gymnasium differs from High School and Secondary school. As far as I've understood, secondary school finishes fundamental school in many countries, and it this definitely not the case with the gymnasium in Denmark. Gymnasium prepares pupils for being students, to study in universities, but you can finish school without going to the gymnasium. I find a merge inappropriate.
- Please see my rationale at Talk:Secondary education#Merging from dictionary entries. Basicly, each country has a unique education system. If Danish gymnasium is somehow different from American high school, it doesn't mean we can't compare them both under Secondary education. The specifics are already available at Education in Denmark, Education in the United States, Secondary education in Denmark, Secondary education in the United States. --TuukkaH 09:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lycée, liceum, grammar school, etc.
Are there any significant differences between the Gymnasium and the above terms used in other countries? If it's simply a difference of terminology for a selective secondary school with a university-preparatory, humanistic course of study generally concluded with an all-important exam, then I would suggest we combine all the above into one article that might also embrace, for example, magnet schools in the US, and other innovations in countries where there is some resistance to selectivity. --ProhibitOnions 13:21, 2005 May 22 (UTC)
Polish Gimnazjum, is not really a Gymnasium - it is a type of middle school, allowing to enter liceum or technikum. exe 09:25, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] High school
I thought that these schools were usually referred to as "high school" in English. Is there much difference anyway? Looking at the high school article, the term means many slightly different types of schools, many of which seem same as some in this article. Also, I don't know about other countries, but at least in Finland studying Greek or Latin is not normal in these schools. FWIW, the common translation to English in use in Finland is "high school" (sometimes "upper secondary school"). If there's no clear-cut difference, then maybe these articles should be merged? Note that upper secondary school redirects to high school, and even though the article says that the term refers to compulsory education, Japanese "high schools" are included and they certainly are not compulsory. AFAIK the Japanese and Finnish systems are almost the same, and I can't see why on earth they are in separate articles. 130.233.22.111 00:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the best international term for gymnasium would be 'prepatory school', they have them in the US too, these schools are specifically designed to get childeren an education they need to join university. Wouter Zantinge
[edit] Links
I think it would be better if in the list of countries the liks were leading not to the countries' articles, but to the education articles (e.g. Education in Greece). Alensha 23:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree with that and did it for Greece! --Anastasios 14:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] German Bias
There is a German bias in the opening section, which gives details only relevant to German Gymnasia. Obviously, in other countries with Gymnasia such as the Netherlands and Czech Republic, these don't apply. --JamesTheNumberless 12:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] United States
I'm not sure about outside the states but, where I live, Gymnasium has always been used to refer to a room meant for physical education. I don't know how common that is but maybe it should be mentioned somewhere. In lower grades we would have a gym class where we would play sports and excersize. Until reading this article I never even considered thinking of an entire school as a Gymnasium.
There is a life outside the USA....believe it or not......
[edit] different names in Germany
The text asserts that in Germany the terms "Realgymnasium", "Oberrealschule" and "Oberschule" are commonly used. I'm a German and visited a Gymnasium but have never heard of these names before. Any school that leads to the Abitur is called a "Gymnasium", no matter what kind of education (humanistic, mathematical, etc) is being taught there.--84.56.246.170 14:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
I second that, there is no "Realgymnasium", "Oberrealschule" or "Oberschule". Just Gymnasium. FreddyE 09:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- While the first two aren't known to me either, the last one is a typical East-German term. Since POS (Polytechnische Oberschule) is the equivalent to a standard 10 years "Realschule" but EOS (Erweiterte Oberschule) being a Gymnasium, I wouldn't use Oberschule as an equivalent for Gymnasium. --32X 22:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed that part now, since its totally wrong. FreddyE 10:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge?
Should the "gymnasium (school)" article be merged into "secondary education" totally?
- Keep. There is too much detail to merge, especially considering the details about nearly 30 nations with gymnasium schools. Similarly, I would have separate articles for American "elementary school" versus "high school" due to the details about high school course curricula, football teams, and clubs in the high-school culture, versus the details about recess and playgrounds at many American elementary schools. Also, each article could list famous schools in the category, such as "Hollywood High School" (in California) or "Clear Lake High School" (in Houston) by keeping the extensive details in separate articles.
