Talk:Hakeem Olajuwon

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Contents 1 Derrick Becker 2 Old photo 3 Name 4 NPOV violation 5 Two quadruple-doubles? 6 Quadruple-double 7 Dennis Rodman's mistake in the '95 WCF 8 Nationality 9 Photograph 10 style of play, player profile 11 "despite never having an All-Star colleague as a second option in his team." 12 Top 5 Centers of All-Time 13 GA Review 14 Copyedit in progress 15 Reasons For Edit

[edit] Derrick Becker

olajuwon did not give money to al-qaeda. please try not to slander people.

too bad about him giving money to al-qaida —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Derrickbecker74 (talk • contribs).

just because hes muslim doesnt it mean that he gives money to al-qaida, btw why write he was undisciplined under the muslim faith contents?

He was undisciplined and readily admits it we need a source on that though. Quadzilla99 02:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Source was added. Quadzilla99 14:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old photo

Please mark which one is him on the picture

[edit] Name

I think that he was born Hakeem, then changed it to Akeem because people were incorrectly pronouncing the H, and then when he felt that pronunciation would no longer be the problem, he changed it back to Hakeem. I think that the article thus incorrectly notes his birth name as Akeem.

[edit] NPOV violation

I edited out the following part of a sentence, "and making him look like an utter fool" in the "Dream Shake" section. Judgements on who is and isn't a fool do not belong in an encyclopedia article. JRed 21:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two quadruple-doubles?

I remember him having a quadruple-double once, but two in the same month ? Seems a little dubious. BTW, the info was repeated on the quadruple-double article. Anyone who could check it ? Mrbluesky 23:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• This says he had only one. It is probably the best source of this information available on the net, and as such I am changing it.  Cdcon  16:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• Never mind, already done on both pages.  Cdcon  16:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quadruple-double

Olajuwon did actually have two quadruple-doubles in the space of a few weeks. The first, however, which was against the Golden State Warriors, was not made official. According to the box score, Olajuwon only had 29 points, 18 rebounds, 9 assists and 11 blocks. However, the Rockets reviewed the game tape and found an assist that had not been recorded. This was reported to the NBA. The league agreed that the assist had been missed, and added it to Olajuwon's season assist total, but said that old box scores could not be changed. And so the quadruple-double was not made official.

[edit] Dennis Rodman's mistake in the '95 WCF

I made a change, removing the sentence that said that part of the reason Robinson was outplayed in the 1995 Western Conference Finals was because Dennis Rodman refused to help out in guarding Olajuwon. This is simply untrue. The much talked-about mistake that Rodman made throughout the series was to refuse to move away from the basket and guard Robert Horry, who was hovering around the three-point line.

[edit] Nationality

Listed as Nigerian in the infobox... shouldn't that reflect his status as an American citizen (as mentioned in the article)?

[edit] Photograph

We really need a photo for him. Any help would be greatly appreciated.Quadzilla99 12:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] style of play, player profile

the two sections look like they can be merged.

[edit] "despite never having an All-Star colleague as a second option in his team."

This technically might be factually corrrect because I am not sure if Clyde Drexler made the All-star team in 94-95 season when the Rockets won the second of back to back championships. Regardless, he was a perenial all star, an all time great, and was a major contributor to winning the championship that season.

[edit] Top 5 Centers of All-Time

Apparently some users feel that Patrick Ewing is deserving of being mentioned as one of the top NBA centers of all-time. If this is your belief, please provide a source supporting the statement before adding Ewing to the list (or replacing one of the others in the list). Thank you. - Raetzsch 19:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the list but the source is fairly weak. Unless we can get a better source perhaps the list should just be removed and some other statement can be used to sum up his great career and place in history in the opening paragraph. Harvey100 01:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Harvey. Quadzilla99 02:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Print source has been added for Top 5 centers. - Raetzsch 17:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Good work Raetzsch. Quadzilla99 15:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It's still opinion. It would be more reasonable to just call him "one of the greatest centers of all-time." TheyCallMeBruce

Well another source was added. A survey of 19 ESPN journalist and retired players, the 5 listed were the top 5. In addition there was a wide gap between the top 5 and the number 6 center. The top five received between 130 and 174 points and the number 6 center received 76 points:[1] Quadzilla99 00:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

Honestly, I think you should go on and add this to the good article candidates. It is well-written, factually verifiable, broad in coverage, NPOV, stable, and contains images. In other words, it follows WP:WIAGA perfectly. I'd promote it no problem (I'd add it myself, but it may take a month to get approved that way) --Wizardman 17:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I added it. Quadzilla99 15:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright. I'd like to see the lead improve on a bit though. It's certainly good enough now for a GA though.--Wizardman 16:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm going too continue to work on it and improve it. I just got his autobiography so I expect to make several additions to it in the near future. Quadzilla99 21:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit in progress

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[edit] Reasons For Edit

Since, people see fit to revert it, I'll explain:

My issue with the old player profile, is that it consists entirely of stats and opinion. You get no idea of how Hakeem actually played.

This kind of stuff: "legitimate two-way threat" "smothering defense" "legendary footwork" is opinion. You can find sources that agree with your opinion, but it is still opinion. Check out some articles on Hannibal. Rather than go on about how "great" of a general he was and how "cunning" he was and rattle off stats about how many people he killed, they talk about his actual tactics.

If the only issue with what I wrote was a lack of sources, how heavily sourced should it be? If there were other issues, what are they?68.190.73.79 05:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)