User talk:Henchman 2000

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Hi, if you want to leave any questions or messages or reasons for editing my user page then feel free to put it on this page. Also feel free to report vandalism as well.

Contents 1 Userpage 2 Re: Vandalism to Mario Parties because of so-called "cruft" nonsense. 3 Wrong XfD template 4 Please Be Civil 5 Consensus 6 Sockpuppetry case 7 You win 8 Mario Party mini-game lists 9 Your edit to the talk page of Mario Party 8 10 Your edit to the talk page of Mario Party 8 11 Your edits to User talk:RobJ1981 12 RFC 13 Adding back examples 14 Your edit to the talk page of Mario Party 8 15 No personal attacks 16 A note about talk pages 17 A RFC about you has started 18 Cool off 19 Help me 20 WP:CANVAS 21 Sockpuppetry case 22 Your edit to the talk page of Messedrocker 23 Stop dragging me into your affairs! 24 Stop, please 25 No personal attacks 26 WP:ANI 27 No personal attacks again 28 You and RobJ1981 29 MP Advance mgs 30 Sources

[edit] Userpage

Hello Henchman, could you please remove a few things from your userpage? Firstly, please remove the "Unless you supply a suitable reason for editing my user page and leave it on my talk page, I will block you!" message from your userpage, since you are not an administrator, and can't block users. If someone does vandalise your userpage, please do follow the procedure for warning users at WP:VAND, and report them to WP:AIV if nessisary. Also, please remove the Bowser image, since, unfortunately, it is a Fair use image, which can not be used on userpages. Thanks, Prodego ^talk 21:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know that I couldn't block, sorry. Also, if I were to remove my image of Bowser JR, then what can I replace it with, I want an image on my user page.Henchman 2000 18:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The best place to find a replacement image would be on the commons, a sister project of Wikipedia that gathers free to use images. You can display an image from there exactly as you would from here. Prodego ^talk 21:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I've changed the image.Henchman 2000 09:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Vandalism to Mario Parties because of so-called "cruft" nonsense.

I'm sorry if you think it was vandalism. Please try to remain civil instead of accusing me of vandalizing the articles and threatening to report me to an admin. I understand it must have taken a very long time to type the descriptions of every single mini-game, but this information would generally only be important to one who plays the video games (for an explanation of cruft, see WP:CRUFT). If someone who never planned to play the games was just reading the article for basic info about the story etc., then a list of minigames would be irrelevant to them. Since there are likely many people who would do this, those sections would just take up space for them. Mario Party 7 is ~42 kilobytes long, which means it goes into a bit too much detail in some areas. Some anon added the sections I removed back into Mario Party 7, and I didn't put them back because I didn't want to get into an edit war. I (sorry, too many "I"s?) admit that I believe I was sufferinf from editcountitis (yes, it exists) when I was removing the cruft, so I may have removed too much. I posted a discussion about crufty sections at Talk:Mario Party 7; if you want to express your opinion there, please do. –The Great Llama^{sign here} 21:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Please don't put the list of minigames back into the Mario Party articles. Only someone playing the game would be interested; please read, if you have not already done so, WP:CRUFT. –Llama man^{sign here} 17:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The mini game lists are coming back and there is nothing you can do about it. You say that only people who play the game are interested, well you're wrong, the Mario Party Advance mini games made me want to buy it so there! Anyway, how is the shit you put in place of the list supposed to amount to anything? This is an encyclopedia and encyclopedias should contain every last molecule of information! GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL!!!!! Henchman 2000 18:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

This is not acceptable Henchman. If you gain consensus with several other editors on the talk pages, then it would be OK to add the Mini games, but without that you should not add them. You certainly may not leave a message like that above, please try to remain cool and civil. Thank you, Prodego ^talk 20:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. Henchman 2000 19:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, just remember to make sure other editors agree with your changes if someone removes them, and if they do, ask them why. They may give you some valuable insight, and a different point of view. Prodego ^talk 20:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong XfD template

You have to nominate Wikipedia: pages for deletion through WP:MFD, not WP:AFD. --tjstrf talk 19:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I've just nominated it in the right context. Henchman 2000 19:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please Be Civil

Please be civil, failing to do so for a period of time may result in a Block. Also please familiarize yourself with the Policy's and Guidelines particularly this one. Cheers and happy editing. — Arjun 21:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus

Henchman 2000, you're fairly new to Wikipedia so I guess you don't quite understand what consensus is. Consensus is not editing whatever you want, whenever you want and threatening to continue to do so until you get your way. That is not the Wikipedia way. That is called "edit warring" and is counterproductive. Instead of constantly readding something and threatening to continue to do so until others give up, please take your issues to talk pages and discuss rather than revert. Also, remember to stay cool and civil rather than lashing out at other users who you disagree with. Thanks, Metros232 21:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Henchman 2000 for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. –Llama man^{sign here} 22:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I believe you that you are sharing a computer. It seemed likely at first that you were sockpuppets, but that likeliness has decreased in my opinion. –Llama man^{sign here} 20:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You win

You win this edit war. All it's doing is giving both of us a lot of stress. I'll just try to stay away from the Mario Party articles now. I've been thinking it over, and I guess I don't really have to make such a big deal out of all this (I still am opposed to the list, but it's a pretty minor thing, I suppose). I also completely believe that you are not a sockpuppeteer now, you just happen to be using the same computer as Bowsy, and would close the case, but only admins can do that. As a closing note, always try to remain civil and cool, as you did on your last few reverts. –Llama man^{sign here} 01:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Since you specifically said you don't mind, though, I'm going to remove the descriptions of the minigames, per WP:NPOV. –Llama man^{sign here} 01:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually...a few people on IRC suggested replacing the list of minigames with a paragraph describing them (not like the bad one I wrote). Meaning it would describe the controls of them, naming a few unique minigames, etc. Do you think this should be done, and, if so, would you be interested in writing it? –Llama man^{sign here} 02:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you elaborate a bit on what I could include if I chose to write the paragraph. Oh, and I don't see a discuccion about the minigames anywhere. Henchman 2000 13:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The discussion was on IRC, see WP:IRC (if you don't believe there was a discussion, ask Sean Black about it). What you could include if you chose to write the paragraph would be the controls for some minigames that are different from the others (have very different controls or something like that) and descriptions of them. There would also be a description of each mode (1 vs. 3, 2 vs. 2, etc.) and a few examples of minigames from each one. This is just a brief outline, so you could probably put some more info in. –Llama man^{sign here} 17:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll consider it and let you know if I will or won't do it. Henchman 2000 11:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mario Party mini-game lists

They are plain and simple cruft. Wikipedia isn't the place for those mass lists. This is an encyclopedia, not a guide to listing every mini-game. Further re-adding of them, will lead to me reporting to an admin. RobJ1981 20:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, therefore these lists are allowed to be put in these articles. Also, a sentence is no where near enough to put about mni games. Henchman 2000 09:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that a List is way too much however i also agree that one sentence is not enough. remember the effort programers went through to give all gamers a pleasureable experiance. what we can do is state that mini games range from (for example) running after a ball to smashing post etc. also they require that the player uses a range of skilles from (for example) stratigy to aiming to reflexes etc. in other words we dont need a entire list just a simple break down of what to expect from the mini games Maverick423 14:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I never said that the list is encyclopedic; just that I no longer wanted to be involved in the edit war. While one sentence definitely isn't enough, the whole list isn't needed. This is why I suggested the paragraph explaining the minigames. –Llama man 14:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The list doesn't need to be one sentence, but it certainly shouldn't list all the games and descriptions of them. I agree it should be a paragraph or so, explaining the types of games only (not listing all the games). Look at the original Mario Party article, as well as Wario Ware articles: they do NOT have mass mini-game lists. I've reported Henchman to an admin, because I'm simply fed up with him not understanding. Wikipedia isn't a game guide or a fan's guide to every little note for a game. The whole comment of "Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, therefore these lists are allowed to be put in these articles" is certainly wrong. Wikipedia has guidelines against unencylopedic lists, and the games lists fall under it. When other articles for mini-game video games don't have the lists, that certainly proves my point. RobJ1981 19:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's your policy, from here: "While Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instructions or advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes. Note that this does not apply to the Wikipedia: namespace, where "how-to"s relevant to editing Wikipedia itself are appropriate, such as Wikipedia:How to draw a diagram with Dia. If you're interested in a how-to style manual, you may want to look at our sister project Wikibooks." Scepia 22:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, but that doesn't mean you can add long lists to make the article endless. There are certain limits, and adding a list of games doesn't really serve as encyclopedic or necessary. Nishkid64 00:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I have started adding paragraphs. Tell me what you think of my mini games paragraph for Mario Party and Mario Party 2. Henchman 2000 09:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Good job! They could still use some cleanup, but mostly minor things like hyphens. Should "Minigames" be hyphenated? I deleted the hyphens in Mario Party 6, but reading the instruction booklets, the hyphenated from is used for the earlier games, but it's not in the later ones (either up to 6, or 7, I lost the instruction booklet for 6). I also made a suggestion at Talk:Mario Party 6; please participate there if you want to. –Llama man 21:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Mario Party 8 is NO exception. Just because it's not out, doesn't mean the list should exist. Stop re-adding it already. RobJ1981 22:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Correct. Please, just accept it. Wikipedia is not suitable for these lists. –Llama man 00:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Why can't YOU just accept that YOU are wrong. One sentence like the one you put, is not enough info. The list is tiny anyway and is not increasing its size by any significant amount by existing. Once the game COMES OUT I can write a summary paragraph when I unlock lots of mini games, which will only take me around a day to do. Please just accept that the list barely exists and isn't harming the article in any way. Henchman 2000 11:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not long? I counted: 26 lines. What's your definition of short? A paragraph can exist now. The game not being out, makes it NO exception to how the other articles are setup. RobJ1981 20:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

There are only 26 lines. If that's your definition of long, I'd hate to see what you called short! The game not being out DOES make it an exception, just accept it. Anyway, there is not enough info. to write a summary paragraph and 1 sentence will NOT do. Henchman 2000 09:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't own the article: so stop acting like you do. This blatant cruft adding is a form of vandalism in my opinion. I guess it's time to bring this up to an admin again. RobJ1981 17:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, YOU are the one acting like you own the article. YOU think YOU can put ANY tag YOU want to when you want to do it. YOU are the one vandalisinig. I have never vandalised a page once and NEVER intend to do so! Henchman 2000 19:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to the talk page of Mario Party 8

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. RobJ1981 20:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, this was not a personal attack, I didn't even mention your name and I was only stating the obvious. If I don't mention your name, how can it be regarded as a PERSONAL attack? Henchman 2000 11:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to the talk page of Mario Party 8

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. See Wikipedia:Assume good faith for the guidelines on this. RobJ1981 17:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

This is in response to this comment Messedrocker, don't listen to what he says, I have been trying to tell him this all along and he is not prepared to open himself up to new ideas. Baisically, he says, "Lists are stupid, lame additions to articles no matter how long or short they are. I am right, everyone else is wrong no matter what." Please do go ahead with this proposal to re add the lists as he would be asking for a ban from editing Mario Party articles if he tried to mess with you, an admin. This list is perfectly reasonable content for this article and, because he is just a plain " I hate lists user." He needs to open himself up to others' opinions. I think you should go ahead, as I am not so sure how I could clean up the list. Henchman 2000 09:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Saying he (and it directly goes to my user page), then assuming bad faith/attacking me isn't needed. RobJ1981 17:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, maybe I went a bit too far there, I'll try not to personally attack you again. Henchman 2000 14:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits to User talk:RobJ1981

Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please participate in a respectful and civil way, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you. RobJ1981 20:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

As a side note: threatening to report me (twice) isn't good faith. As stated before: comment about content, not contributors. RobJ1981 20:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks, but I really was only trying to tell you that I didn't want another unnecessary edit war. Also, if you were allowed to tell me you were reporting me to an admin, why can't I do it to you? Henchman 2000 09:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, I've just realised, a user's talk page is the place to comment on them, the contributor. Henchman 2000 19:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFC

An RFC about Mario Party articles has begun; please see here. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 12:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

As a note: why did you feel the need to ignore the discussion (once the Mario Party articles were unprotected)? No one agreed on lists, or examples for that matter. Ignoring a discussion, and just editing the article however you feel like, isn't helping things. RobJ1981 21:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Give me visible proof that you are not the only one against the examples. Henchman 2000 18:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding back examples

Henchman 2000, I strongly advise that you stop re-adding lists of examples of mini-games because it's becoming more and more apparent that there is a consensus against them. People have gotten in trouble in the past for disregarding the consensus, and the last thing you want is a request for arbitration to ruin your good name. In the meantime, I suggest that you continue to be involved in the request for comment and instead of adding list of examples, try to write some prose, since that's what people want. If you have any questions, please do ask. Editing Wikipedia is much more convenient when everyone is working together. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 00:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this is more than enough proof: NOT to re-add them back. Stop threatening to re-add them back. RobJ1981 15:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to the talk page of Mario Party 8

Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please participate in a respectful and civil way, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you. RobJ1981 13:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I just find this very stressful and you are always having the complete opposite opinion to me so I am finding it hard to work with you. Henchman 2000 13:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No personal attacks

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Geoff B 20:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you will be blocked for disruption. RobJ1981 21:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

This final warning is in reference to your "shut up" comment at the AFD discussion. RobJ1981 21:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I was not telling you to not contribute, I was telling you to stop talking about GameFAQs. This is by no means a personal attack and you used the final warning as a weapon, and not to warn me for doing a proper personal attack. Henchman 2000 16:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A note about talk pages

Comments don't just go anywhere: they go at the bottom of the section. Even if you are responding to a certain person's comment: they still go at the bottom. Just putting them anywhere (in response to someone's comment or what not) isn't how talk pages work. RobJ1981 02:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for telling me that, I had no idea. Henchman 2000 08:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A RFC about you has started

The discussion is here: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Henchman 2000 Make sure you read how it works, before you decide to post on it. RobJ1981 01:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cool off

This [1] indicates to me that you need to cool off. I have given you a 24 hour timeout. Please reflect on whether you can find a calmer way of resolving your dispute. Guy (Help!) 16:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Technically, yes, but [2] is most definitely a personal attack and shows that you need time to cool down. It's not required that a user must make personal attacks and be warned more than 3 or 4 times to get blocked. I'm not going to decline this unblock because I've gotten in content disputes with you, but I will make this comment. –Llama man^talk_contribs 20:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help me

When posting the {{help me}} template, actually say WHY you need help. Don't just put the template up. So what do you need? Metros232 14:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Another user is accusing Bowsy and I of meatpuppetry. Both Isotope and JzG have said we are not meatpuppets and the conclusion written in the sock case was no reason to harrass us or try to make one of our votes in an AfD discounted. I need you, Isotope or JzG to tell this to the following users:

1. User:Geoff B
2. User:AKMask

Please do this ASAP as AKMask is trying to get our votes in an AfD discounted as we speak. Henchman 2000 14:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

As has been told you to before, it is up to the closing administrator's discretion to choose how to consider those votes. It doesn't matter how much or how little they campaign to get them discounted. In the end, it's the admin's call. Metros232 14:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I am also asking you to say to the above two users that we aren't meatpuppets and it has been said that the word "meatpuppetry" is no means to harass us. You NEED to tell AKMask to stop accusing us and to remove his blatantly false and discriminative comment from the AfD. Henchman 2000 14:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Tell him yourself Special:Emailuser/AKMask. Metros232 14:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not going to risk emailing another user, why can't you just leave a message on his talk page like everyone else? Henchman 2000 14:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Because it's not my job to stick up for you. Metros232 14:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why not, an admin is supposed to be willing to help anyone. Henchman 2000 09:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CANVAS

This is not acceptable per our guideline on canvassing for support on AfD's. Please don't ever do this again.--Isotope23 14:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppetry case

You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Henchman 2000 (2nd) for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. note that RobJ started the case, not me, and the only reason I am posting this message is that RobJ didn't. –Llama man^talk_contribs 22:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to the talk page of Messedrocker

Wikipedia guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please participate in a respectful and civil way, and assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Thank you.

As a comment to this: claiming I will be in "heaps of trouble", isn't needed, period. You aren't an admin, you can't just throw around threats to get your way. RobJ1981 06:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stop dragging me into your affairs!

Henchman, I have noticed that you are using MY name on YOUR talk page messages when I have NEVER said that I support you on these issues. Please stop. Bowsy ^{(review me!)} 09:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I am using you as an example, which I am allowed to do. RobJ has already dragged you into this, and he also thinks that he can say things to us that he has not allowed you to say to him, he needs to practice what he preaches, something he doesn't do, and he hasn't told me off for doing something, but he has you, so you are the perfect example case. Henchman 2000 09:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I never said you could use me! You always say that I am backing you up but I am not. This is probably only furthering any accusations. I do not want to be used as an example in everything. Oh, and one more thing, you have been saying that I will do things to RobJ. Well I am not getting involved in your persnal attacking. Bowsy ^{(review me!)} 09:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I haven't said you will do things to RobJ. Henchman 2000 09:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You said

we won't let you do it to us!

Please replace these "we"'s with "I"'s. Bowsy ^{(review me!)} 11:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I know you won't either. Henchman 2000 19:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

If i want to express my opinion, I'll do it myself! Bowsy ^{(review me!)} 09:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, be my guest. Henchman 2000 09:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stop, please

Do not edit other people's statements. Comment, note errors, but don't edit other people's statements. OK? Guy (Help!) 19:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

If I comment, RobJ will not listen. He never has done before, why would that time be any different. Henchman 2000 19:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That's no excuse to edit other people's comments. –Llama man^talk_contribs 02:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's lying about us, and someone needs to change it, and he certainly won't. Henchman 2000 09:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

You have absolutely no right to change what I post. Clearly violating Wikipedia guidelines to make your point, isn't helping things. RobJ1981 20:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

You lying about Bowsy and I isn't helping things either, and how am I violating Wikipedia guidelines anyway? You are the only one here who acts like a (corrupt) admin, in fact, when I first encountered you, you were acting so much like an admin that I actually thought you were one! (This is NOT a compliment). You are assuming people with the same opinion to be meatpuppets, changing articles to your personal preference without leaving as much as a word on the talk page, using templates as weapons when the usage of a brain would've made you realise what was meant by the comment, trying to exploit every tiny fact in a quest to crush opposition and telling people not to do things and then doing them yourself. If that's not acting like a corrupt admin, what is? Henchman 2000 19:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You have violated no personal attacks guidelines (several times in the past, and with that whole corrupt admin post: you did it again) and talk page guidelines as well. It is against guidelines to edit other's comments (without their permission, and I obviously didn't give you permission to change my posts). RobJ1981 21:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Then you should change it yourself, and highlighting flaws in a user's actions like I did above is not a personal attack. You are lying about Bowsy and I. Since when did we say we were acting like admins (you are though) and I am the only one saying you will be in trouble (and you will, because the sane admin doesn't like being ignored). You need to add accurate information, something that is not on your response. Henchman 2000 09:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No personal attacks

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

This is in reference to what you posted above. RobJ1981 21:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:ANI

You've been brught up at WP:ANI#Henchman 2000 (talk • contribs) and RobJ1981 (talk • contribs). Please note that I currently have no opinion in this content dispute. –Llama man^talk_contribs 23:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No personal attacks again

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

This is in reference to you calling me annoying at WP:ANI. That's certainly a personal attack. RobJ1981 15:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

This is exactly what I mean by being falsely accused. How is calling someone annoying a personal attack? Give me an exact quotation and prove to me that calling you annoying is a personal attack, because it's not. You are mistakening the slightest harsh word as a personal attack, well it isn't, and if you read NPA, I'm certain that you'll find that I'm right. Henchman 2000 18:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Name calling is a personal attack and isn't acceptable. As per the policy: Comment on content, not on contributors and Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. And as for your comments on my talk page: I never once said that Wikipedia revolves around my opinions... so stop assuming. RobJ1981 19:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Also: I dropped the whole sockpuppet case after the admin deleted it. So mentioning that every chance you can isn't relevant. You attacking me whenever you can is relevant, as you continue to do it (dispite not thinking anything is an attack). RobJ1981 19:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Tell yourself to stop assuming, you've done it before and I've seen it. I know that you never said Wikipedia revolved around your opinion, but you constantly act like it does. For example, you said "was this fair" and whinged to 2 admins about an admin deleting your sock case. And you have not given it up, to quote you, "a case needs to be made about them as they abuse AfD and RFC debates", and we don't. Also, calling someone annoying is not insulting, or at least shouldn't be, in anyone's book. I have not mentioned the (unnecessary) sock case whenever I can, only when it is relevant. I do admit to personal attacks, however, "Shut up about GameFAQs" and "You are SO annoying" is hardly a personal attack. Henchman 2000 14:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

They're not personal attacks, but they do violate WP:CIV#Examples; under "Petty examples": "Rudeness." It is a petty form of incivility, but is still uncivil. –Llama man^talk_contribs 17:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You and RobJ1981

Note that the original reference to your conduct has been archived, and is now at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive214#Henchman_2000_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_and_RobJ1981_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29.

Hi Henchman. Please try and stop bickering with RobJ1981. If you are not able to discuss things civilly, please try not responding to anything you see as trying to provoke you, and please refrain from doing anything involving him, provoking or otherwise. I am not blaming either one of you in particular for this, and do not want to hear about whose fault it is. Just, please, step away, and calm down. I will be posting the same message on RobJ1981's talk page, with the names revered, as this message applies to both of you, equally. You clearly have similar editing interests, and it would be so much better if you could find some common ground and work together to make Wikipedia better, as this is clearly what you wish to do. Don't let an editing dispute sour your contributions to Wikipedia. If you have any questions, or would like some advice, please let me know. Thanks. Neil (not Proto ►) 23:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MP Advance mgs

Hmm, your last post to my page could be considered canvassing as the message implied that the AfD shouldn't have occured (partisan), and I'ven't ever edited that article. For that and other reasons, I won't be participating in that AfD. If you like what I've been doing in other AfDs, feel free to take that role in this AfD. My resources are limited and I can't participate in all AfDs. Feel free to do what you can to execute wikipedia policy in this matter. McKay 15:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure it could be considered canvassing, I didn't ask you to take a particular side and I said that I thought it was unnecessary, and left you to make your own opinion. Henchman 2000 18:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Posting a message to any user (besides the original author) for an XfD can be considered canvassing. And I think we can safely assume that you believed that McKay would !vote "keep", considering his participation in other minigame AfDs, as the use of the word "unnecessary" in your message. — Malcolm^{May the schwartz be with you!} 19:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

But I never told him to vote keep, and that would've been canvassing. Henchman 2000 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone my original reply to your post about this on my talkpage got lost (probably a db lockdown)... but to summarize what I said, when you contact someone who has pretty consistently had a certain opinion about related articles in other AfD's, you have to expect that others may perceive that as canvassing, even if you are not specifically soliciting a "keep" or "delete" opinion. That is why you should be very careful who you contact in regards to an active AfD.--Isotope23 20:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you tell me how I can tell someone about an AfD without it being considered canvassing? Henchman 2000 08:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Please stop adding the European release information from the source you are providing. It is not considered a reliable source. You have been reverted 4 or 5 times now with this information. Everyone is looking for a more reliable source, especially one from Nintendo. If you continue, you may find yourself blocked for disruption. Thanks, Metros232 15:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, looking at your source, it definitely says "PREORDER-JUNE 2007". Not the April 2007 you keep posting. So your source and your information aren't matching up. Metros232 15:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Then I should change it to June 2007. It doesn't seem right that we should say TBA 2007 when there is a possible release date on a URL. Henchman 2000 18:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Note the key word you used right there possible. Metros232 18:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did use possible, SO WHAT? A possible release date is more encyclopedic than TBA when it could very well be released in the month I have put. Henchman 2000 19:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well considering just two days ago the release date was possibly April, there's absolutely no point in putting a "possible" date up. It's better to leave it as TBA. Metros232 19:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the topic, but please remember to indent replies to posts with colons (:); see Help:Talk pages#Formatting. — Malcolm^{May the schwartz be with you!} 19:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

IT doesn't seem right to put TBA when there are sources out there. Mabye I should change it to June, as it is more reasonable and, as you said, it said "preorder June." Henchman 2000 19:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, but 2 days ago it said "release April" so this isn't a reliable source. Metros232 19:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The point is that the site provided is not a reliable source. It is more encyclopedic to use "TBA" instead of "June 2007" for a source if the source is unreliable. — Malcolm^{May the schwartz be with you!} 19:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

But how is it not a reliable source, sources from Nintendo are not the only "reliable sources". Henchman 2000 19:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Because two days ago it said "April 2007" and today it says "June 2007". The release date shouldn't change. — Malcolm^{May the schwartz be with you!} 19:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)