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Is it really appropriate to use a Cyrillic letter to try to imitate a backwards 'R'? - furrykef (Talk at me) 00:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

No, because it's supposed to be a Latin 'R', not a Cyrillic 'Ya'. With the Cyrillic leter, the title would be pronunced "Homya". --Arteitle 16:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it would be pronounced "Namya". TLC-Kopf 20:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The Cyrillic letter En looks like Latin H, but it's a different character with a different Unicode symbol. Georgia guy 18:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to add that the official Fox web site for The Simpsons gives the title as "HOMR" [1]. The Cyrillic 'Ya' may look like a backwards Latin 'R', but it's a completely different letter in a different alphabet with a different pronunciation. --Arteitle 04:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 For the last time 2 Requested move 3 Possible fix for the R / Я. 4 Move proposal... again 5 Over-Complicating the Matter 6 Happiness is inversely proportional to intellignece and uneducated people will always feel threatened by educated people 7 Gazoo vs. Ozmodiar

[edit] For the last time

Yes!--220.238.238.21 04:03, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

How exactly do you pronounce the title?

Homer. It's just spelt badly, that's all. HOMER. HOMR. HOMЯ.

How do you make a backwards R?Toonmon2005 23:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible fix for the R / Я.

The title uses a backwards "R", but there is no way to do this with text on a computer without a specialized font. A possible way to simulate a backwards R could be to use an image instead of a character like is done at I Hate U, and put {{Template:No unicode character}} up. -- kenb215 02:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the question is, is HOMR right or HOMЯ? 'Cause in the norwegian Wikipedia, we have the title "HOMЯ". NorwegianMarcus 07:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

While Homer's stupid because of a crayon lodged near his brain, it's HOMЯ. Then when he gets it removed, it's HOMER. When he has it put back, it becomes HOMЯ again. The R is inverted and the E is omitted only to show his lack of inteliigence in signing his own name. --Rahul 09:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The correct answer is that it is HOMR, but with the R backwards. HOMЯ, despite appearance, does not use a backwards R. As the move debate (above) says, this is the Cyrillic Ya. There is no way to display the title with text, thus the idea of using the no character template. -- kenb215 21:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move proposal... again

Why was there no move? The official title is HOMЯ. We would still have a permenent redirect from HOMR but this should really be at the episode's official title. Is this anything like the decision between "I, (Annoyed Grunt)-Bot" vs. "I, D'oh-Bot" (the latter being not the official written title of the episode but is the official page for the episode on wikipedia). We always have the redirect option.... Valley2city 22:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The correct title isn't HOMЯ. HOMЯ uses the Cyrillic Ya character, while the real title uses a backwards "R". Currently there is no way to make a backwards letter without an image or specialized font. Because nobody has had a problem with using an image since I brought the idea up, I made one, and put it in the article. -- kenb215 talk 00:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

But, how was the image created?? Was it created with a backwards R or by copy-pasting the Cyrillic letter Ya?? Georgia guy 21:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I tried both methods. The images made either way are identical. -- kenb215 talk 20:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

And therefore, as the proper title of the episode, should be the title of the article. Who would know the difference whether it is a russian letter or the backwards r in Toys Я Us? Valley2city 21:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Anybody who could easily tell these characters:

ΑΒСΕΗΙIJΚΜΝΟΡΤΥΧҮΖеһіјοѕυν

apart from these:

ABCEHIIJKMNOPTYXYZehijosuv

would know. Even though the character may look the same, using it as a work-around is, IMO, less acceptable than the image currently used. -- kenb215 talk 15:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Um... the only characters I could "easily" tell apart in that were u and υ, and that was precisely because they're the only pair shown that don't look the same. --Random832(tc) 13:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

All of the characters in the top row are Greek, while all of the ones in the bottom row are Latin. Although they look the same to most people, for anybody using an older browser or almost any accessibility tool they will cause some confusion. -- kenb215 talk 03:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It depends on the font — on the page itself, I can also see the difference between v and ν; in the edit box, which uses a monospace font, the single character IJ is naturally half the width of the two characters IJ.

The difference would probably be most visible if one of the characters were missing from the user's default font and substituted from a different font — a font is likely to have all English characters or all Russian characters, but not necessarily both. Naturally, this suggests a third option: write all four characters in Cyrillic (НОМЯ), which would ensure consistency but involve *four* wrong characters.

The difference is probably most important for alternative representations, such as voice or Braille; and for any machine manipulation of the text. These will tend to preserve a plain English explanation but mangle any cleverness with similar-looking characters of very different meanings. --Sabik 15:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Over-Complicating the Matter

Frankly, I'm utterly mystified by the backwards-R debate I'm seeing here. Cyrillic Ya (Я) is a reversed Latin letter R. Wait a minute...oh my God! H, O, and M are also Cyrillic letters! Come to think of it, so are A, B, C, E, H, I, J, K, P, S, T, X and y. So now what do we do? Change all occurences of those letters in the English Wiki to images?

• • I like your sarcastic and extreme humour. It's just like mine.- Rex Imperator 8:04, March 15, 2007

As it has been noted, the resulting appearance is completely identical. So why not just redirect HOMR to HOMЯ and be done with it?
On a less-ranting note, the current Special Character disclaimer seems to imply that Cyrillic is not supported in Unicode. For someone who stumbled on this article with no knowledge of this debate, it was quite a shockər. -Wikilackey 05:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

It is the Unicode for the Cyrillic letter Ya. The Cyrillic letter Ya looks like a backwards R, but it did not originally imitate the R in shape in any way; just look at the Ya (Cyrillic) article and you will see. Nobody ever calls this "Home-yah", which the spelling you're suggesting reads with a mixture of Latin and Cyrillic characters. Georgia guy 23:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happiness is inversely proportional to intellignece and uneducated people will always feel threatened by educated people

Marijuana is society's light blue crayon.

Marijuana is claimed to be a drug of the intelligent and this is how smart people "crayonisize" themselves in order to deal with the less intellectually motivated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.109.174.9 (talk) 19:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Gazoo vs. Ozmodiar

I noticed that in the quotes section of this article, it was stated that Gazoo says "He's right you know." This can't be, since the name of the Gazoo-like character in The Simpsons is Ozmodiar, which is also stated in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.251.54.194 (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

• I just fixed that, completely unaware that this was on the talk page. You generally don't need to ask permission for little fixes like that. Master Deusoma 23:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)