Talk:Justice League (TV series)
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202.8.13.68, Hereafter is not the same episode as The Savage Time. The naunces of the origins of episode name without anything else relating to the episodes is too jarring and unatural for some people, such as me. -Apostrophe
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[edit] Complaints
Does anybody else notice that it seems like this whole wiki is a list of complaints against the creator's of the show? Why did we even write this if we all hate it so much.--Gillespee 22:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed the page does have an overabundance of complaints. Some are viable though. I would like to form some kind of collaboration to improve this article.-
Finite 01:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC) 01:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Are there some complaints we could remove? Should we add in more positive things?--Gillespee 17:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the complaints warrant removal as they all have been targeted at the show, but this sucker certainly needs a bit more positivity. I think more information about what it's praised for, about it's production, how accurately it portrays the characters, that sort of thing, would be helpful.--Finite 21:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
I can't imagine anything WORSE to include in an 'encyclopedic' article on Justice League than fan complaints. Comic fans, by nature, complain about any changes; no matter what, we're going to be able to find people who had problems with just about every choice Timm and Co made. Simnel 18:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I cut the 'Controversy' section. No other comic book page has a section on 'Stuff fans bitch about'. Simnel 01:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Controversy
Justice League proved very popular with fans of the comic book and the previous animated versions of Batman and Superman by Bruce Timm, but some fans were disappointed in the show's depiction of Batman, criticizing Timm and the other writers having a bias in favor of Batman against the other characters, most notably Superman. Citing many instances where Batman achieved feats that technically even he isn't capable of and of displaying far more intelligence than Superman, at times practically the only member of the League who actually does think while the others just listen and follow, with Superman in particular coming off as a mere "country bumpkin" or as someone for the other Leaguers to disagree with. Some fans have labeled the Justice League depiction of Batman as a "Bat-God". Some fans also feel that Timm in general dislikes Superman, perhaps because the Kryptonian's rigid morals can at times be at odds with those of his team-mates, making him the "goodie two shoes" type. Timm has countered these complaints with the simple fact that he would never devote himself to a full show based on Superman - Superman: The Animated Series - if he did not harbor significant affection for the character. Additionally, it is often noted (e.g., in the book Batman: Animated or in Modern Masters: Bruce Timm) that Timm and company very much love the Fleischer Superman shorts, which contributed greatly to the style and approach for Batman: The Animated Series.
Some fans have taken issue with the romantic interest Wonder Woman displays towards Batman in the series. Some think it is a perfect use of the opposites attract plot device, but others feel that it is forced and does not make much sense. It is worth noting that in the comic book series JLA, Batman and Wonder Woman found themselves attracted to each other, and discussed the matter, ultimately resolving to stay as friends and comrades - which happened after the Justice League animated series debuted.
Fans have also taken issue with the series depiction of the Flash/Wally West. While the third Flash has always been laid back and sardonic in the comic books, and many agree that he is well voiced by Michael Rosenbaum (Lex Luthor of Smallville, ironically), but some feel that the Flash is all too often relegated to being merely a comic relief character or "the funny one". Later episodes would allow the Flash to display more power and talent when using his super speed, and practically saves the world in the penultimate episode of the second season of JLU.
Additionally, some fans were genuinely upset that Aquaman, a founding member of the Justice League in the comic books, was not included as a regular member of the Justice League, as he had had a cameo on S:TAS similar to that of the Flash, and had been featured prominently in Superfriends.
[edit] Bat-Embargo
I took the following out:
A so-called "Bat-Embargo" was introduced at the start of the third season when the series became "Unlimited" due to the creation of The Batman (2004), which prevented Timm from using any of Batman's villains or supporting characters. This did not, however, limit Timm and company too much and allowed the development of lesser-known characters.
This is already talked about on the JLU page, and isn't really significant to the original Justice League series. If there are two articles, the differences should be respected. Simnel 01:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Animated Series Batman (character) sandbox
Batman: The Animated Series/Animated Series Batman (character)
During the creation of of that "late" article I always stated that it was a draft or unproject. It took weeks until Bennon cleverly figured out what I was trying to do was a sandbox (which I didn't know how to do until now). Now everyone can edit it with no time pressure and talk about what to do with the info when i's finally finished. I coul'd have created the sandbox in my own talk page, but I don't want anyone to assume I "OWN" the project. Feel free to erase, add and source stuff to improve it.--T-man, the wise 22:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Adult-ish content
I'm in the process of watching JL for the first time, having just watched the complete Season 1 box and am now halfway through season 2. I confess to having only seen bits and pieces of the previous DC-based series (Superman and Batman) so maybe this is par-for-the-course, but is it worth noting that JL, for a kid's show, has some surprisingly adult references? For example the indication that Green Lantern and Hawkgirl become lovers, in one season 2 episode we see a woman in bed with a man, in the Metamorpho episode we see Metamorpho's girlfriend flirting with GL wearing nothing but a towel; there are occasional overt references to Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl being sexy, and in the S2 episode Maid of Honor Part One I was floored by an undeniable sexual reference (the partying princess telling Wonder Woman she wants to "go out with a bang - or several, if you get my meaning"). I'm not complaining by any means, and I know that one reason why the WB's DC animations have been so popular is because they appeal to both kids and adult viewers, but I wonder if JL marked any sort of transition. If it didn't and the earlier show's were like this, too, I'll have to check them out! 23skidoo 05:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- One more to add to the list (though if you're only half way through Season 2 you won't have seen it yet) is the intro to Wild Cards. I agree with your observations, however our problem is finding them published in some kind of reputable source to avoid original research. Maybe Bruce Timm talked somewhere about pushing the boundaries. The jump to cable couldn't have hurt.--Gillespee 16:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
It's not surprising at all, the DCAU has always dealt with adult-ish content. The writers and producers of the show look at the DCAU alot like the comics, they hold it to the same standard. I mean have you read comics lately? People are getting fists physically punched through their head, being raped, becoming drug addicts (alot of which comics have been doing for years). Infact, I remember an interview where Bruce Timm (I think it was Bruce Timm, anyway)... stated that they hold the DCAU to the same standard as shows like Friends. Meaning that kids have been watching things like Friends and Seinfeld, and what-have-you for ages. So there's no need to tune down the DCAU. --156.34.89.13 17:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Five seasons in four years?
The introduction seems to imply that there was five seasons in four years. Is that correct?--Per Abrahamsen 08:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
No, it's actually in six years (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 AND 2006), I think you are a little bitt confused. Batman tas 17:24, 7 March 2007 (GMT+2)
