Talk:Lieven
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[edit] Avignon or Rome
Does the family legend speak of two travels or one only ?
from Lieven: A family legend has it that Caupo in 1202 went to Avignon, where the Pope Celestine III raised him to nobility with the last name "Lieve".
from Caupo of Turaida: ... who took him 1203-1204 all the way to Rome and introduced him to Pope Innocent III. The Pope was impressed of the converted pagan chief and presented him a manuscript Bible. When he returned from travel, his tribe rebelled against him ...
is there any reliable source for either trip ? --Gf1961 08:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
- Second thought: The shisma with shadow popes in Avignon was a lot later than 1200. Celestine III lived in Rome and died 1198. --Gf1961 12:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
