Template talk:Limited overs international

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Contents 1 Syntax 2 Toss 3 Link to full Scorecard 4 Template Issue: Tied Matches 5 Which form should be eventually used?

[edit] Syntax

There are two acceptable ways to do the ODI box, they should eventually all by of the upper type:

{{Limited overs international |
batting first flag = |
batting first = |
score first innings = |
overs first innings = |
batting first highest scorer = |
batting first highest scorer initial form = |
batting first highest score = |
batting first highest score balls faced = |
bowling first best bowler = |
bowling first best bowler initial form = |
bowling first best figures = |
batting second flag = |
batting second = |
score second innings = |
overs second innings = |
batting second highest scorer = |
batting second highest scorer initial form = |
batting second highest score = |
batting second highest score balls faced = |
bowling second best bowler = |
bowling second best bowler initial form = |
bowling second best figures = |
winning team = |
win margin = |
stadium = |
city = |
country = |
umpire1 =  |
umpire1 initial form = |
umpire1 country = |
umpire1 country short form = |
umpire2 = |
umpire2 initial form = |
umpire2 country = |
umpire2 country short form = |
MOTM = |
MOTM initial form = |
MOTM country = |
MOTM ctry short form = |
}}

Example:

	England 8/242 (50 overs)	vs	Australia 2/246 (45.2 overs)	Australia won by 8 wickets[1] Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne, Australia Umpires: IL Howell (SA) and SJA Taufel (Aus) Man of the Match: AC Gilchrist (Aus)
	KP Pietersen 82 (91) NW Bracken 3/46 (9)		RT Ponting 82* (96) JWM Dalrymple 1/38 (10)

Or this type is also acceptable and used on pages such as the 2007 cricket world cup page:

{{Limited overs international |
 date = |
 team1 = |
 score1 = |
 team2 = |
 score2 = |
 result = |
 venus = |
 motm = |
 runs1 = |
 runs2 = |
 wickets1 = |
 wickets2 = |
 report = |
 rain = |

}}

Example:

March 16, 2007
	South Africa 353/3 (40 overs)	vs	Netherlands 132/9 (40 overs)	South Africa won by 221 runs Warner Park Stadium, Basseterre, Saint Kitts and Nevis Umpires: Mark Benson and Tony Hill Man of the Match: Herschelle Gibbs
	Jacques Kallis 128* (109) Billy Stelling 1/43 (8 overs)	(scorecard)	R ten Doeschate 57 (75) Justin Kemp 2/18 (4 overs)
Match reduced to 40 overs a side because of rain/ground conditions.

Dacium 06:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

See also {{First Class Matches}}-- ALoan (Talk) 11:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Toss

I think this needs a toss field as especially in day/night games this can be very important. Flagging day/night games is another question though :) --Bedders 11:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the trouble is going through 40-50 pages and replacing them with toss information. I think they should be substituted anyway, though, the template is very badly formatted and puts too many constraints on people. Sam Vimes | Address me 21:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

If there are problems with the template then that should result in the template being modified - not being subst'ed - that defeats the point of having the template and prevents the consistent look and feel. -- Chuq 03:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link to full Scorecard

Also how about a link to the full scorecard on (probably) cricinfo? --Bedders 11:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Mildly late reply again: Best way to do it is as a reference in win margin, thus: "win margin = 50 runs^[2] |" Sam Vimes | Address me 21:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template Issue: Tied Matches

Slight problem with this template as it stands. When a match is tied, there is no field to show this. Attempting to put it in the "winnin team" field results in: "Match Tied won by Match Tied"; if it is left blank then the template throws up an arrow and simply displays {{{venue}}}. Anyone know a way around this? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_cricket_World_Cup#Semi-finals for an example of where this is occurring, the 2nd Semi-Final between South Africa and Australia.

Cheers. AllynJ 17:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Use "result = Match tied". (this has the unfortunate consequence that "venue", "umpires" and "motm" fields are thrown in.)

Really, winning team and win margin shouldn't be used. Too inflexible. Sam Vimes | Address me 17:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

You can't really mix and match the variables from the first type to the second. Unfortuently when the template was originally created they did not think about tied matches. The best I think can be done is to go winning team = "Neither team", winning margin = "anything. Match Tied" to get "Neither team won by anything. Match tied." Having said that it isn't that big a deal to change every use of the template, because you can see all the uses here, their really aren't that many: Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Limited_overs_international--Dacium 22:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Which form should be eventually used?

With the merger of the former Template:Cricketbox into this one whilst its format was carried over into here, a discussion should be raised into which set of paramaters should be used. Personally I'd eventually go with the simplicity of the second one since it would be less strenuous for editors when editing a page, but I guess this is open for all suggestions. It does say at the top of this page that the top version should eventually be used, so please leave your thoughts here. Cheers, --mdmanser 05:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think the second one is far better. The first one goes over the top with to many variables and is to specific such that it causes problems. The big one has no way to include D/L details and has problem with tied matches. The small one has the (report) thing instead of having to squeeze in a reference. The only thing the first one does good is that it forces users to use the same format (in terms of players names, umpires names, initials, country etc).--Dacium 21:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)