Talk:List of mobile network operators

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[edit] Movistar

What's named "Telefónica O2(Spain)" should me now named Movistar too (that's the name of this company in whole south america and spain. only in Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, Germany, Republic of Ireland and United Kingdom is under the O2 brand). somenone should change the name in the list NOW.

[edit] MVNO's

Do MVNO's count as a Network Operator? Tracfone has been listed on the United States potion of the list for a long time and is currently listed as the 6th largest Operator, though it doesn't operate a network it just uses another companies network. If MVNO's are used in the ranking, then Virgin Mobile should also be placed in there. Does that mean Boost Mobile, which is owen by Sprint Nextel get to be in the ranking too with its 1.7 million subscribers? Or are those 1.7 million subscribers already counted under the Sprint Nextel subscribers?

Should there just be a seperate column that lists the MVNO's and what network operator they use with thier subscriber numbers listed? Or should MVNO's be places in the ranking?

This might be applicable then to the discussion below about moving the page to List of mobile phone companies.

[edit] O2 vs. mmO2

I noticed in the UK section someone had changed the network name from 'O2' to 'mmO2', I think it's incorrect to refer to the network as mmO2, in the German section it's also refered to as O2. Likewise it would be incorrect to refer to the french network SFR as Vivendi Universal (the company which owns SFR). MmO2 is also changing it's name to O2 in March. see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,1389160,00.html Joolz 00:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Argentina

I dont get why someone erased the section i created about argentina's largest mobile phone companies. I think it may qualify as vandalism Maberk

[edit] Page move

I suggest we move the page to List of mobile phone companies to reflect more accurately what this actually is. It contains both large and small mobile phone companies and the title should reflect that. -- Joolz 22:47, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Agree — except that this should be List of mobile network operators. The world's largest mobile phone company is manufacturer Nokia! Jpatokal 02:21, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps call the new list List of mobile phone operators or something of that nature. --

Spinboy 18:15, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] America Movil???

America Movil (AMX) is Latin Americas Largest mobile phone (holding) company.

It had 68.3 million subscribers at the end of March, 2005...see First Quarter 2005 report here: http://www.americamovil.com/web/index.html

It should rank 5th on the list...

Subsidiaries

- Mexico Telcel wireless 100.0% Global Consolidation Method

- Argentina CTI wireless 100.0% Global Consolidation Method

- Brazil Telecom Americas wireless 98.9% Global Consolidation Method

- Colombia Comcel wireless 99.2% Global Consolidation Method

- Ecuador Conecel wireless 100.0% Global Consolidation Method

- El Salvador CTE wireless, wireline 95.7% Global Consolidation Method

- Guatemala ACT* wireless, wireline 99.0% Global Consolidation Method

- Honduras Megatel wireless 100.0% Global Consolidation Method

- Nicaragua Enitel wireless, wireline 99.0% Global Consolidation Method

- Uruguay CTI wireless 100.0% Global Consolidation Method

- U.S.A. Tracfone wireless 98.2% Global Consolidation Method

Affiliate

- U.S.A Telvista other 45.0% Equity Method

[edit] World largest table: Number of subscribers

I would just like to point out that the current table adopted from the previous format is a tad misleading or even inaccurate. Vodafone's 120.53 million subsribers actually does include that in companies in which the company holds a minority stake. It is the number of proportionate subscribers, a measure more widely used in the industry to measure true size. This is the reason why I drew up the table with a column each for total and proportionate subsribers. In fact, the entire table's entries needs to be verified to find out if the figure is for total subsribers or proportionate ones. What do the rest of you think?--Huaiwei 17:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Go for it. (By the way, I was converting to tables last week but went away and didn't have time to finish up, which i'll now do later) -- Joolz 18:02, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

For somebody who has not helped create the table with total and proportional users, I don't know what you mean. Could somebody please add a single sentence explaining what the different columns are supposed to mean and how they differ? Thanks ...

Think the global operator ranking needs to be updated.

[edit] why does ths page need clean-up?

I dont really see why this list needs clean-up; it's a list, after all.... admin?

I think the article has been cleaned up in the two months since the notice was placed. I'll remove it Seabhcán 08:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New table: countries by penetration rate

Country according to penetration rate. As is, the penetration rate is listed for each country's entry if listed at all. The tables could be improved by listing this info in a seperate table.bjelleklang 10:18, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Macao or Macau?

There is currently a dispute on this page over the spelling of Macao/Macau. Both are used by the Macanese government in English, but the government prefers "Macao". "Macao" is the spelling used in the English name printed on the cover of the passports it issues. Please see the discussion at talk:Macau. Thanks. — Insta ntnood 13:46, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

As i have already pointed out in talk:Macau, saying the Macau government "prefers Macao over Macau" seems to be speculative when gov.mo sites show 387,000 Macaus vs 40,200 Macaos. The overwelming majority of the publishing and print media industries around the world has increasingly adopted Macau as the prefered spelling in English publications. Just refer to your local English newspaper for reference. CNN, BBC, and even neighbouring Hong Kong's largest English medium newspaper, the South China Morning Post, currently uses the spelling Macau. Interestingly, the CIA factbook;s Macau entry [1] uses Macao only in the following circumstance:

some civic associations operate as de facto political parties: Electoral Union; Pro-Macao and Flower of Friendship and Development of Macao; Associacao para a Defesa dos Interesses de Macao; Centro Democratico de Macao; Grupo Independente de Macao; Macau Economic Promotion Association; Progress Promotion Union; Development Union

I am therefore doubtful over this claim that Macao is an English spelling and not used in Portuguese.--Huaiwei 15:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

As mentioned by myself and other editors, Macau is the spelling used by the Macanese government in Portuguese. Earlier spelling reforms of the Portuguese language changed -ao into -au. Since one of the spellings is used on passport covers [2], there's nothing speculative. You have not answered whether Portuguese pages were excluded in the test generating the 387,000 figure. Finally, please keep the discussion over its spelling at one place. Thanks. — Insta ntnood 15:31, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Macau government uses Macau in Portuguese. Sure, and no one disputes it. But does this prevent others from doing otherwise? And does not prevent it from using Macau in English too, something you pretend does not happen by insisting the government prefers one over the other (which I argued was more a reflection of conventions by the central government in Beijing). Most potential visitors to Macau will be looking at [3], and would have been convinced that Macau is an English word. Should they take Macau's airline, they note that it is called Air Macau. When they land in the SAR on any other airline, they note that they are arriving in Macau International Airport. Who can convince them otherwise?

My search on gov.mo was not language specific, and for good reason. In all examples illustrated above, both Macau and Macao were used in English and Portuguese, so does it matter by now? Of coz, you are most welcome to do the search again using your baramotres. As for keeping the discussion on one page, why, then, are you not simply adding a link to that discussion, but instead sees a need to include your arguments here? I do not consider that a nuetral means of garnering opinions. Furthermore, you turned Talk:Macau into a circus. Would anyone want to be seen as clowns by joining in there?--Huaiwei 16:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I've never said that only "Macao" should be used, and "Macau" should not be used. The real side is that both can be used, and there's no reason to have it standardised. It's plain rude to correct other people's works from color to colour, and same for Macao/Macau. — Insta ntnood 16:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

In other words, your only reason for engaging in the above revert warring was because you think changing someone else's edit is rude...by your own terms? I do wonder if this is a healthy stand to take when wikipedia is a site where collaborative efforts work best. Do not confuse this debate with that over British/American English, because while it is incorrect to use British spellings in an American context and vice versal, it is not incorrect, even by your own admittion above, to use Macau (which you insist is purely a Portuguese word) in English texts and vice versal. If you think anyone who disagrees with you are just plain rude and hence are good enough reason for reverts, then I dont think wikipedia is a suitable site for you.--Huaiwei 17:09, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I've never said Macau is exclusively Portuguese and not English. — Insta ntnood 17:38, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Then explain your equation of Macau/Macao with color/colour. Constantly claming you said nothing dosent contribute much, if you have not realised that by now.--Huaiwei 18:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I did not equate Macao/Macau with color/colour. What I said was changing other people's works from Macao to Macao is like changing from color to colour, when no particular spelling should be given the preference. — Insta ntnood 20:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Not really. You said it was rude, and yes, it probably ellicits the same responses if the two are comparable. Are they? You say they are both similar because "no particular spelling should be given the preference". Not quite. Articles related to Britain or British English-speaking countries use British English. Vice versal for American English. This flexibility certainly does not apply there, so in what way is this similar to the Macau/Macao episode?--Huaiwei 21:08, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SLOVAKIA

I read this article... But i found one very big MISTAKE. someone forget about SLOVAKIA ? We are par of europe, even of EU ! so dont forget about us... :)

[edit] Consistency problems, column "Technology"

I think the Technology columns really need a fix for consistency. For example: In the US networks, GPRS is counted as "Technology" but in the Irish column, it is not (even though all 3 GSM networks have it). I also have failed to notice any other list which counts GPRS as "Technology" but I may have missed them. So should it be or shouldn't it be? - ^R_H^e _o^d_t 18:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, this column mixes up 2 categories:

GSM is a standard, a counterpart would be IS-95 (cdmaOne)
CDMA is a MA principle, a counterpart would be TDMA

I suggest removing the TDMA vs. CDMA info from this column, and just discuss standards. --68.6.44.232 06:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] countries to add

i was browsing the countries and i did not find qatar operator Qtel the sole operator in qatar with 490,300 subscribers.Qtel is a public company that is listed in doha securities market. another country that was not listed is UAE which also has one operator called Etisalat which has At the end of September 2005, the number of mobile lines in service 4,305,821 for mobile with Mobile penetration now exceeds 95 per cent."

[edit] Exclusion of Israel

Could someone explain why Israel is excluded from this list? Just curious. - Sohailstyle 11:43, May 9, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Information about SNPL (Mero Mobile)

TO: Respected Wikipedia editors

FROM: SNPL, Nepal

Dear sirs,

I hope you're doing well.

Could you please add information about our company Spice Nepal Private Limited to the list of mobile operators. There are no Nepali mobile operators in the list, but we're realy exist.

What kind of information we have to provide for mentioned issue?

Please kindly contact me by E-mail: roman.smirnov@spicenepal.com

Regards,

Roman Smirnov, Head of VAS, SNPL, Nepal.

[edit] Surely proportionate subscribers should be sort order?

That seems more meaningful than total subscribers. — ciphergoth 16:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greece

Why is Greece missing in this list? -- 85.181.56.59 09:41, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Because nobody has added it yet. It will be on there when someone finds the statistics out for Greece (including sources ofcourse) and puts them on here. -- Joolz 17:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LowCall and Simyo Netherlands

Under the list of Netherlands-based networks, LowCall is mentioned as a network owned by Telfort, but actually it is not. LowCall is owned by debitel, and is using the Telfort GSM network. Maybe someone can take a look at this? Also both LowCall and Simyo aren't physical networks, but are virtual networks. Simyo is using KPN's network.

[edit] Split up article geographically?

This article is enormous. How about splitting off the major subsections into List of mobile network operators of the Americas, List of mobile network operators of the Asia Pacific region, List of mobile network operators of Europe and List of mobile network operators of the Middle East and Africa? Bryan 09:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GREAT article

one of the best on wikipedia IMO. thx whoever wrote it...i wonder any reason the list cuts off w/o smaller operators? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.140.5.249 (talk) 03:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

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