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(Apologies for writing in English, my Norwegian is not good!) - The name 'fir' in Scotland also means Abies (as well as throughout modern English, both UK and USA); 'fir' meaning Pinus is very archaic, not used any more - 82.39.130.135 (en:User:MPF)
Are you saying that the ‘pine’ meaning of "fir" is obsolete in Scottish accents of English (which I would agree with) or in Lallands (Scots)? -- Olve 25. feb 2005 kl. 0140 (UTC)
- Hi Olve - yes, obsolete in both. It might still be used occasionally in poetry etc that is deliberately trying to imitate or follow historical usage, but you won't hear it used in modern everyday usage other than as a misidentification or generalisation for any conifer. Sad fact is that 99% of the general public in Britain can't identify conifers even to genus level (let alone species!); and those who can, use the English standard that they've learnt from field guides, forestry literature, etc. Journals like Scottish Forestry use Scots Pine exclusively for Pinus sylvestris, and use 'fir' for Abies. As an aside, the use of 'fir' for Pinus in the past wasn't restricted to Scotland, there are plenty of historical English references to this use too. The change to widespread use of 'pine' came in nationwide around (or before?) 1700-1750, with the publication of popular, widely read books like en:Philip Miller's Gardener's and Florists Dictionary which used pine and in so doing set the general standard. - 82.39.130.135 25. feb 2005 kl. 1148 (UTC) (en:User:MPF)
