Talk:Operación Puerto doping case

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Contents 1 Balance 2 Puerto 3 Sources 4 The cleared riders 5 Current event still?

[edit] Balance

There are 200 athletes from numerous sports implicated in Operation Puerto. Why is this page only focused on the cyclists implicated in the scandal?

Because it blew up just before the start of the Tour de France, taking out several of the top contenders. —wwoods 02:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

There're also involved some other top Spanish athletles like Nadal, current squad of Barcelona and Real Madrid etc.

FIFA said there's no footballers involved. -- Danilot 19:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

FIFA tells lots of things ...

Start a FIFA conspiracy theory article then LOL

I've amended the article to note that Fuentes himself has stated that it is unfair to only accuse cyclists of being involved with blood doping, as he also treated tennis and football players.kju 03:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

If cyclists make up only 56 of 200 athletes involved, then this page needs major revisions. Rmhermen 01:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree, but we are slightly stymied by the fact that only the cyclist names have been leaked - there has been (as far as I can tell) no leaking of other names. We can only rely on what we can cite as a source, and until the other 144 athletes are named, then we can only talk about cyclists.kju 03:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The owner of a ProTour team was arrested in the beginning of the operation, so of course the focus is on cycling. And the names of the cyclists were released by the police because of French pressure to get the names before the start of the Tour.

I would not put any value on any claim of Fuentes, he has a strong personal interest in obscuring and obstructing the case.--Per Abrahamsen 21:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto

Stupid question probably, but why is it called Operación Puerto? -postglock 15:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the reason is that puerto in Spanish means climb (in cycling-related issues).--Xareu bs 07:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Ahhhh... Thank you very much... :) -postglock 11:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Is like militar operations, Guardia Civil uses non meaning names to name his operations, so if there is a leak, no one knows what the operation is about.

[edit] Sources

I've standardised the referencing, so we need someone to go through some news articles and find cites for the remaining unreferenced statements before I feel we can remove the "no citations" banner at the bottom of the page. Can someone please hunt down the news reports that list all the cyclists? (and find a few confirmed non-cyclists!). kju 13:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

1st of all, the case is open and the judge has decreted that is secret. The names of the ciclist are only known because probably El País bribed someone in the court, but that's all you going to know until some months had passed.

For now is only known that the prosecutors have assured the IAAF that there are not athletes prosecuted. [1]

--Marneus 10:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't have time to go through these tonight for cites to articles, but there is a link to a collection of articles about Operación Puerto on Cycling News. kju 11:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The cleared riders

The status of the riders cleared is a bit confusing. The were apparently cleared by a judge, but that can only concern the ciminal case. And using doping isn't a crime in Spain. The sport world has its own legal system, where the riders hadn't even been charged yet.--Per Abrahamsen 19:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

But that is still the current status of the riders - cleared by a Spanish court of any wrongdoing. Basso and Ulrich are being questioned by their relevant national anti-doping body. If the listed Comunitat Valenciana and Astana riders are investigated by their relevant national anti-doping body then that should be noted as well. kju 11:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The translated news report are very brief, and it is unclear what exactly they have been cleared of. What does "wrongdoing" means, legally? Do we know that the "cleared" riders are not being questioned by the Spanish cycling federation? Basso and Ullrich has not been charged yet, as far as I know. At least Basso has been questioned. --Per Abrahamsen 12:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I made some changes to this during the last month but they have been changed back. It is really misleading to use this form of words "cleared of any wrongdoing". They have not been charged with anything. But the files make it clear that there were doping. Have you read the files? If not I can send them to you or upload them and we could link to them. The point is that they have not been charged under any criminal offence, but is this the same as saying they haven't done anything wrong? I don't think so. Hence my previous change which was then removed. --auskadi 09:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I suspect "cleared of any wrongdoing" is a direct translation of a Spanish phrase. And doping isn't illegal in Spain, so being "cleared" by the court doesn't say much. I put in a milder formulation instead.--Per Abrahamsen 09:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current event still?

Just checking to see if others agree that we should take off the 'current event' tag at the top of the page. To my knowlegde the events have all finished, and the matter is, as it were, 'resolved'. Surely the tag remaining on the article is misleading. Also how would I take it off - I'm a newbie! Thanks Sapient Vesta 15:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's current news for like 2 more days. People just checking on this article may do so because of the recent closure of the case: this is news. But it won't be by Friday... Severo 16:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)