Image talk:Pinemarten.jpg
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this is a European marten: http://www.animalpicturesarchive.com/list.php?qry=pine%20marten
- That information is based on the US Fish & Wildlife Service image record, which shows that it is most likely an american marten based upon authorship, see Talk:Pine Marten. The confusion likely stems from the fact that martes americana and martes martes are both called "pine marten". --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image is which species?
(copied from Talk:Pine Marten)
The image used, Image:Pinemarten.jpg is from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. The image library record is here: [1]. Isn't it more likely that this is a photo of an American Marten and not a European Pine Marten? Note that the term "pine marten" is also used in North America for martes americana and is likely the source of this confusion. Thoughts? --ChrisRuvolo 02:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- The image's description contained "Martes martes", not "Martes americana", so I assumed it was the European Pine Marten. But now that I looked at the image again at the FWS website, the description links lead to websites of American Pine Martens. Hmn. Just going by the photo it looks more like a European marten to me, but they're similar species, but I can't be certain about that. Assuming that it's the American variety since its from the FWS isn't a surefire way to figure it out, though. They have photos for servals and zebras too, and those certainly aren't North American. I'll wait and see if anyone has anything to add. If not, I'll take it down to be on the safe side. --CairoCai 16:27, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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- Good points. I just tried to check out the original photographers: Bauer, Erwin and Peggy. They have done several North American wildlife books. See here: http://www.allbookstores.com/browse/Author/Bauer%2C%20Erwin This does not preclude the possibility of it being a martes martes but it seems more likely to me that it is actually a martes americana. I wouldn't be able to distinguish them by sight though. --ChrisRuvolo 18:22, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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- Since the evidence for it being a photo an American marten is stacking up, and there probably aren't too many people floating around Wikipedia qualified to determine which exact species it is; I'll go ahead and remove it from the article. Thanks for bringing this up. --CairoCai 19:55, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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- I just took a look at the image. It is certainly an American marten: American martens have short black lines rising up their faces from the inside corners of their eyes, while Eurasian martens do not. A more subtle difference is that the cream-colored bib is much more pronounced in Eurasian martens. 68.42.71.192 19:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks! Copying this discussion to Image_talk:Pinemarten.jpg. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
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