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Contents 1 Expansion vandalised 2 An Idea 3 Topics of Welsh Politics 4 Main political parties 5 National institutions

[edit] Expansion vandalised

Mais Oui! Please explain why you are vandalising my edit without discussion. If you have objections, list them here - don't just attempt to delete my edit unilaterally. Tbanks Normalmouth 10:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Every time you edit a page you keep destrying links and category hierarchies. Please desist from destrying the formatting of articles until you have read the Wiki style guidelines.--Mais oui! 10:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

So why remove my entire content? Please edit - don't vandalise. Normalmouth

[edit] An Idea

Would it be a good idea to try and set-up this page along the same lines as the Politics of Scotland page? TG312274 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Topics of Welsh Politics

With this section I have hopes that specific topics in Welsh politcs could be wiki-linked here, once these pages are developed. Any assistance here would be of great value. The issues with the Welsh NHS would be a fantastic starting point, how it works in Wales, and the poisitives and contraversies. Drachenfyre 14:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I wold suggest we go down a more discursive route. i.e, a lot of the debate since 1999 has been the proposed need for more Assembly powers, but hospital waiting times have dominated, as has discussions of the performance of the Welsh economy in comparison to the UK as a whole. Also, Objective One etc. Normalmouth 08:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Of corse, a balanced and informative narrative would be best. But the scope might be rather cumbersom. I am open to someone tackling this if a balanced narrative mentioning the most important politician topics in Wales is addressed. As it stands now, it is a list of topics currently in the news on BBC Wales Today and Dragons Eye. Drachenfyre 08:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Thinking more on the subject, I am uncertin that a few narrative paragraphs would be sufficient to flesh out these topics. Each of these topics deserve a page of their own. Drachenfyre 09:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main political parties

I have added a section giving a biref description (and where applicable a link to the main article) of each of the five main political parties in Wales (theese are the only five with representation in Westminster, the Assembly or the European Parliament). I'll add more to the Lib Dem and Forward Wales bits when I get a chance. Normalmouth 17:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I moved the polticial parties section to where it already was on the outline. Wedged between national insitutions and the Assembly information looked too awkward and out of place. the artical reads more smoothly now when you transition from the set up of institutions to what those institutions actually are. Drachenfyre 01:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this is way too far down the article. It is a more significant element in the politics of Wales than as listed and sets the scene for discsionss about the Assembly etc. Normalmouth 08:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I moved it further up the outlineDrachenfyre 09:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National institutions

I'm not at all sure what is meant by the 'success of Lloyd George and Bevan lead to a social movement demanding political institutions'. Lloyd George, like many such politicians at the time, was far more concerned with disestablishment and Bevan was one of the most stridently anti-home rule politicians ever to have gained prominence in Wales. This needs to be redrafted. Normalmouth 08:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not happy with the form of words used here. The point is not that Wales is in close proximity to England - it always has been - but that Welsh identity has survived (and latterly thrived) despite very high levels of integration with the English economic, cultural, political and legal systems. I'd also like some changes as per the point above. I'll embark on a rewrite later today. Normalmouth 09:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The success of Welsh politicians in the first half of the 20th century, whatever their politicial strips, is the direct result of growing Welsh cultural and national movements (per Historian and Author John Davies). Reverted as your edits did not add any clarifications only ambiguity that is discussed elsewhere. Drachenfyre 04:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

er, that's not what your revision says (which incidentally lacks any citations of its own). So I've reverted it. I#ve explained why I object to your version. please tell me why you are unhappy with mine, other than claiming (wringly) it is discussed elsewhere. Normalmouth 07:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The "National Institutions" entry is not ment to review the Anglo-Welsh Annexation, rather to outline the movement (cultural and political) of national institutions. When I write that the subject is mentioned elsewhere, it is under the Contemporary Welsh Laws. I feel that the statements are outside of the topic. Not 'every' paragraph needs to link Wales and England. The topic of National Institutions is about Welsh national institutions. Drachenfyre 08:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

But to describe the emergence of Wales's national institutions without refering to what they emerged from (i.e a highly unitary state unusuited in many ways to their development) would be like describing the Marshall Plan without mentioning the need for the post-war reconstruction of Europe. If you are going to talk of the transformation of Wales, you have to put it in context, i.e what it transformed from. Besides, the point about integration is not one simply about the legal system. Normalmouth 08:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't propose to amend it, but I'm curious as to why you have removed 'highly' from the part about E&W's integration. Until 1964 there was no distinction in administration or government between the two and no territorial authority for Wales. Until the last few years the delivery of core public services have been virtually identical in scope and approach, while even today economies of the two countries are inextricably integrated, as is the infrastructure, nearly all media and broadcasting, and much else that is less tangible such as culture, values etc. If this isn't 'highly integrated' I don't know what is. Please remember, we're trying to describe what is/was, not what people think ought to be. Normalmouth 10:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)