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Sorry but where is in this article a problem? --134.147.116.1 00:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Dispute 2 Some new information 3 The first and only kurdish state? 4 Name

[edit] Dispute

This article is NOT neutral. It is talking about unsucessfull rebelions as an independent nation, part of Kurdish nationalist propoganda, --Kash 17:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• If the rebellion happened, it's worth noting. --InShaneee 23:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is worth noting. But as a rebellion, which is what it actually was, not as an independent republic, which it never was! This was just the cooperation of a group of Kurdish separatists with the occupying Soviet forces in order to separate Kurdistan from Iran and eventually make it part of the Soviet Union, similar to what others tried to do in (Iranian) Azarbayjan. It was a Soviet-backed riot, not a republic or whatever. Shervink 13:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

Your POV is nonsense because the article is well-cited. http://www.bartleby.com/67/3814.html

Diyako Talk + 17:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no real concern, the article is wel-cited. The farsis are for no good reason puting tag on this article.Diyako Talk + 17:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

If what you mean by Farsis is Persian, then I have to tell you that in the way you probably mean it (ethnically), I am not Persian. Neither is, as far as I know, Cool Cat. There is a real concern, and denying it is not an answer. Shervink 17:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

So what is your so-called concern?!! Why u do not say it if there is really one?!!Diyako Talk + 17:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

As stated above, I think it is not impartial to call a failed rebellion backed by Soviet forces a sovereign, independent republic. You might find it strange to hear that from me, but my position has always been that the Kurds have a right to their own state if they like to. My opinion is that it would be dramatically to their disadvantage, as well as to the disadvantage of many others in the region. Anyhow, I respect the opinion of those wishing for an independent Kurdistan. But the so-called republic of Mahabad was not that independent state which some Kurds are looking for. It was a failed attempt at attaching Kurdistan to the Soviet Union. Just look at all the other republics of the former Soviet Union to see how much the Kurds would have been oppressed if that had happened. This unsuccessful attempt was not an independent republic, although I am sure some Kurds hoped it would have become such a thing. For these reasons I think the page should be renamed to something like Separatist movement of Mahabad, or something in that direction. Also, the page should be made more neutral, it looks more like a political announcement at the moment. I am not questioning that at least some of those in favor of the separation were acting in good conscience, but the same holds for others who were against the separation. The article should not be one-sided. The first step would be to choose a more appropriate title for it. Shervink 19:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

I respect your point of view but in a neutral point of view it was an independent Republic of Mahabad which its official name was Republic of Kurdistan. The fact that Soviet helped it or not is another issue which can be mentioned in the article as it is. I see no neutral reason for renaming it. I believe our only choice is to follow neutral point of view. There are tons of neutral sources which can be provided when needed. It was a Kurdish Republic named Republic of Kurdistan and historians call it republic of Mahabad. [1].

Diyako Talk + 19:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Is it neutral now?Diyako Talk + 20:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

It couldn't be any farther from being neutral. Reasons were already mentioned. Such superficial hasty remarks here and there are not going to solve it. Shervink 20:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

It declared independence in January 1946, though not recongnized by any other state. So it was not a rebellion, it was an independent republic. Read the books written by William Eagleton about the history of the Republic. Archibald Roosevelt also wrote a paper, in which he used the term Republic of Mahabad. In the sources that are provided, it is mentioned as Republic not rebellion. Since I don't see any serious argument, I remove the tag.Heja Helweda 01:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

That's a good point. Not recognized by any other state. What makes a state a state? If I now go and declare that Tehran or Paris or whatever is hereafter called the Republic of Shervink, which would be kind of a cute idea, would I qualify to be mentioned in history books as the President of a Republic? Of course not.Shervink 07:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)shervink

[edit] Some new information

I had found two books lying around in my house talking about the Republic of Mahabad. I added some information on the event itself and its reasons for failure. I hope I didn't mess up the topic to badly, I didn't realize how contreversal it was until I read the talk page MercZ 07:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The first and only kurdish state?

I've one question in different articles and pages there is written, that the Republic of Mahabad, was the first and only kurdish state. Some other articles wrote it wasn't so I'd like to hear what's your opinion bout this topic? Perhaps you can help me, so we can write in this artcile something excatly? --134.147.116.96 11:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It was not the first and only kurdish state, some examples are the Kingdom of kurdistan and the Republic of Ararat. Besides we must not forget that until 1848 there were independent kingdoms or principalities within the ottoman and persian empires. They were independent for all practical purposes but for name, had own border customs, stamps, currency and an independent economy.

We cant forget the kurdish dynasties kingdoms like the Ayubids, Zand, Bagratids and Buwayhids plus the ancient kingdoms and empires like Media, Corduene, Cappadocia, Pontus, Halaf, Hurriani among others.

I read in some book that the Republic of Mahabad was the first modern national state in the kurdish history, which was sucessfull during a period. --Japan01 02:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name

The name of the republic was in fact Komari Kurdistan (Republic of Kurdistan) not the Mahabad Republic.

But in literature u find it under Republic of Mahabad. So move the article? --134.147.39.4 01:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The official name was the Republic of Kurdistan, but many refer to it as Republic of Mahabad and yet others refer to it as the Kurdish Republic of Mahabad. I say we should rename it. Republic of Kurdistan (Mahabad) or Republic of Kurdistan - Mahabad, sounds like a reasonable name to me, what do you guys think. --D.Kurdistani 02:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Why was the name changed back to Republic of Mahabad, it's official name is the Republic of Kurdistan. --D.Kurdistani 09:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I see no citation that either name is official - not that it matters. The most common name should be used. See how United States is not United States of America (long official version is a redirect) . A quick dirty Google check (Mahabad vs Kurdistan) shows Mahabad is slightly more popular. -- Cat ^chi? 10:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)