User talk:S.dedalus

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Hello, S.dedalus, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Contents 1 All-Interval Tetrachord 2 Adoption 3 You helped choose Environmentalism as this week's WP:AID winner 4 DIV and Watchlist 5 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 6 Humanities desk post 7 Stopping by 8 Wikisource 9 Your query 10 Vaghtesheh (It's the time) 11 Samuel Jones 12 Userbox Migration 13 Nancy's Fancy 14 Re Music Images 15 Uploading your MIDI 16 Edit count

[edit] All-Interval Tetrachord

Thank you for your authorship of the article All-Interval Tetrachord. However, it is presently so short that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion, in that it "It is a very short article providing little or no context". Have you considered adding a mention of all-interval tetrachords to the main tetrachord article, or expanding All-Interval Tetrachord to contain more context so that it is useful to readers? --tjstrf 19:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yep, that should be much better. Congratulations! You've written a useful start for an article! Oh, I hope you don't mind, but since All-Interval Tetrachord doesn't seem to be a proper noun, I've moved it to the proper capitalization, All-interval tetrachord. --tjstrf 23:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

Hello, S.dedalus! I see that you have expressed an interest in being adopted by an experienced editor. I accept your request, being an experienced editor myself. Whether you want to learn about wiki markup, find something to do, or just talk to somebody, I'm the one you can talk to - just leave a message on my talk page. Good luck with Wikipedia! Rockpocket 03:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi S.dedalus! I'm glad to help, feel free to drop me a line if i can help you in anyway.

With regards to editing code, you seem to have grasped the basics, which is a great way to start of course! The way i learned was by keeping Wikipedia:Cheatsheet close to hand for a while (you can read a more detailed verson at WP:EDIT. Pretty much everything you need to create and write stubs is in there.

Templates are pretty simple to use, though the tricky thing is remembering which one you want for the situation you find yourself in. Basically you can consider them shortcuts to reproduce pre-written text, but and they also contain code that allows any article with a template to be listed in a given place. So, for example, there are literally hundreds of templates that are used to generate the text that identify stubs. By adding {{ethno-activist-stub}} to the bottom of a stub like Robina Qureshi, you get the text:

"This biographical article about a minority rights activist is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."

But it also automatically lists the article in the Category:Minority rights activist stubs. Of course, this is but one example, templates can be used as navigation tools (like Template:Animal testing advocacy), as greetings (like Template:Welcome), warnings (Template:Behave) and a multitude of other uses, most of which can be found here. My advice is to try and not overload yourself with learning too many templates. You don't really need to use any beyond stubs to begin with, and overtime you will remember the ones you use more often.

A few key things to remember:

• You can express a template by simply typing its name encompassed by curly brackets: {{TEMPLATE NAME}}
• Some templates require substituting to replace the code with text. To do this: {{subst:TEMPLATE NAME}}
• Some templates allow additional customisation, e.g.{{subst:Welcome4|Rockpocket}} would reproduce a customised welcome message with a direct link to my talk page.
• You can create your own, just follow the instructions here!

Pictures are also quite tricky to begin with. If you are interested in uploading images, please be aware of the policies regarding copyright. As a rule of thumb, unless you made the image yourself it probably is not a good idea to upload it.

If you wish to add images to articles, you can read the basics at Wikipedia:Images and learn the markup at Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. In its basic form its quite simple. You simply type:

[[Image:NAME|type|location|size|caption]]

Where the words in lower case between the pipes can be a number of different operators (Location= 'right', 'left', 'center' or 'none'). Thats the basics, anyway. I would simply recommend experimenting, either in the sandbox, or using the preview function (do not experiment in article namespace though!) If you have specific questions or queries, do not be afraid to ask. I'll keep and eye on your contributions and, if i can make any pointers, i will do. Good luck!! Rockpocket 09:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose Environmentalism as this week's WP:AID winner

AzaBot 18:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DIV and Watchlist

Hi! You are doing great work so far, S.dedalus, keep it up.

So you asked about the <div> </div> markup. Well that is basically a HTML command that defines a division (or section) in a page. It can be used to align text anywhere on the page (depending on the associated parameter you choose). A subset of HTML elements are currently permitted in WP. You can read about them here, including some basic examples. If you wish to learn more complex uses (like for example, its use in the notice above this message), then your best bet will be to read some HTML tutorials (like here for example).

Your watchlist is one of the most useful tools in wikipedia (in my opinion). If (at the top of the page after you log in) you click on my preferences then the editing tab. You will notice a checkbox for: Add pages I create to my watchlist and Add pages I edit to my watchlist. I check both. Now whenever I edit or create a page it will be automatically added to my watchlist. The watchlist then lists the most recent edit (including the editor who made it, the date, time and edit summary) for ever single article I have ever edited, allowing me to keep track of changes to them. This differs to my contributions page, which lists all of my edits (but no-one elses). If you check those boxes, when you are editing a page you will now notice that there is an automatically checked box directly above the save page - show preview - show changes buttons that says watch this page. You can deselect this at anytime and said article will be removed from your watchlist. Alternatively you can leave the boxes unchecked in your preferences and use the box in the editing page to opt in to articles of your choice. Either way, the watchlist allows you to keep better track the articles you have an interest in (and the associated talkpages which are added automatically when the article is). Rockpocket 09:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot

SuggestBot predicts that you will enjoy editing some of these articles. Have fun!

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Cleanup List of pandiatonic pieces List of marine reptiles Sweeney Todd Merge Hallé Orchestra Prepared piano Renate Blauel Add Sources Tolibjon Sadikov From the House of the Dead Worcester fragments Wikify Sustainable forestry Hänsel und Gretel John Louis DiGaetani Expand Slum Pygmy List of British entomological publishers

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. Your contributions make Wikipedia better -- thanks for helping.

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please tell me on SuggestBot's talk page. Thanks from ForteTuba, SuggestBot's caretaker.

P.S. You received these suggestions because your name was listed on the SuggestBot request page. If this was in error, sorry about the confusion. -- SuggestBot 15:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humanities desk post

About your comment "I guess I'd better stop drooling then!": don't worry, it caused no confusion. It was actually quite funny! --Bowlhover 03:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stopping by

Hi S.dedalus. I thought i would stop by to say 'hello' and see how you are doing. I've been checking out your contributions and you appear to be well into the swing of things, which is great, of course. Moreover, you now seem to be pretty adept in the ways of Wikipedia. While I am very happy to remain as a mentor for as long as you wish, if and when you feel ready to branch out of the adoption programme just drop me a note. I have no qualms with you flying the nest, so to speak. In the meantime, keep up the good work and let me know if i can be of any further assistance! Rockpocket 05:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Sure, please stay in the programme as long as you wish, I'm happy to have you! To answer your questions:

• There is no need to contact Samuel Jones to ask his permission before expanding his article. Infact, it is often a bad idea to do so, as some people get a little possessive over their own article and feel the need to edit it themselves once they are alerted to its existance. That is never a good situation, as its near impossible for them to be objective. However, in a few situations it can be a helpful to contact the subject. These include asking their permission to use an image of which they hold copyright or asking them to clarify some information. I would recommend getting the page online first, then deciding whether it would be useful to contact him.
• I'd be happy to read over anything you have. I often make drafts work in subpages, for example see User:Rockpocket/Scrapbook. You could work on a draft of the article on User:S.dedalus/drafts and then other, invited, editors could offer advice.
• Your sources seem fine to me. Often a few external links or general "further reading" type references are fine as sources for articles. Its usually only WP:BLPs, scientific or critical content that requires strict inline attribution from a reliable source.
• How long is a piece of string? Technically, editors should get a sequence of "test" templates from{{subst:test0}} (good faith) all the way up to {{subst:test4}} (final warning). However, in practice its best to judge how blatant the vandalism is and act accordingly. Give the benefit of the doubt when it isn't clear, but it it really is trolling vandalism then I might start with a {{subst:test}}, followed by a {{subst:vw}} then use {{subst:blatantvandal}} straight afterwards. If they continue after that, report 'em at WP:AIV.

-- Rockpocket 07:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have left comments for you here. Rockpocket 07:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a million. I’ll get to work on that. S.dedalus 07:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikisource

Another good question, there! Despite searching, I can't find any evidence of a way to link accounts between two different Wikimedia projects. It seems people simply create another account at Wikisource using the same log in name they use here, then create Wikilinks between them: see User:ThomasV and wikisource:user:ThomasV for example. You can create a Wikisource account here. Rockpocket 05:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know how to send you a message on this site because it has no link to your e-mail. Anyway, I just wanted to say that you are a shame to humanity. I guess you are the true representation of all the radical "liberals" in the U.S. and it shows by your disagreement with the Heysel incident. If i was you I would learn the facts and acknowledge that it was the Liverpool fans who were behaving like absolute animals that day. Why would you want to play it down by not giving the Livepool zealots the blame that they DESERVE!!!! Also, stick to music and leave football (or soccer as you yanks call it) for the people who follow that sport. Any questions? e-mail me at ringbearerdaniel@yahoo.com

Regardless of who is to blame for the Heysel incident Wikipedia is NOT THE PLACE TO EXPRES YOUR PERSIONAL POLITICAL OR MORAL VEWS. I have absolutely no interest in this subject other than that of an editor of Wikipedia. Also in the future please do not place flame messages on my talk page. Thank you.S.dedalus 07:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

If you have no interest in the Heysel incident then how can you feel you have the authority to edit what happened when you did not have a clue to what went on? I read several books and one of them was "Football Hooligans". I did some independent research outside the internet in order to be better informed. What I wrote was not my personal or political opinion as you say. Furthermore, wikipedia is not any academic encyclopedia! It is site where anyone is free to edit and share whatever knowledge they have to offer.

Please see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:No original research. It is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia that content must be well sourced and from a neutral point of view. Saying that the Liverpool fans were “mean spirited” is not from a Neutral point of view and is worded in a inflammatory manor. Instead let others judge based on their actions. Also, please provide a source for your assertion that those killed were “all Italian Juventus fans.” S.dedalus 07:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your query

Hi! Sorry about the delay in getting back to you, I was off for a short Christmas Wikibreak. The place to report vandalism in progress is WP:AIV, but there are certain criteria that must be met to list there. Personal attacks can be reported at WP:PAIN and more complex cases the require admin attention can be mentioned at WP:ANI. Alterntativly you can give a friendly admin a shout (see this list). Thanks also for the email you sent me a while back. For some reason it was re-routed by my spam filter, so I only found it the other day. I think if sorted that problem out now, but I apologise for not responding until now. Regarding the current issue - I have issued the editor with a final warning and will be watching their editing closely. Do let me know if you come across further vandalism or personal attacks from him and I will deal with it. Rockpocket 07:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Hope you have a great vacation and best wishes for the New Year! Rockpocket 08:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Howdy! Regarding sourcing the music style of your article: although biographies should be well sourced per WP:BLP, in reality articles on non-controversial individuals tend to be poorly sourced. A general rule of thumb is that if you are providing information that would be considered unflattering or critical it must be sourced. If you are providing an description of something they have done, it should be sourced, but if it is uncontroversial and widely accepted, you can usually get away without sourcing it. Of course, if someone challenges it, then it must be sourced or they can remove it.

Regarding your userboxes. Formatting is my weakest point on the project (one of the reasons why my user space is so bare!) You could simply list them like User:C.lettinga, but i'll continue to look around and see if I can find anything to help you, but for the moment I'm going to have admit defeat! Sorry. Rockpocket 08:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vaghtesheh (It's the time)

Hey there, no problem dude. The song talks about "time of separation" and its impacts on the poet. It starts like this:"it's the time to go, it's the time to leave you behind, there is no rebirth, it's the time of my demise...." then poem continues to describe his feelings in the last moments and in the end complains from creation why he had to leave. I hope I was useful. Cheers ! Amir85 09:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samuel Jones

Hi. Ahh, sorry about that. It was my fault, as I forgot about the auto redirects that are set up when you move an article. Basically the composer article's talk page, was redirecting to the jazz musician's talk page. Anyway, problem solved now, and I have added a few appropriate templates. Everything else looks good.

You asked about linking to sections. You can do that. There is some information at this subsection: Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context#Subsections. Briefly, you use a "#" followed by the the subsection name. You should also pipe the link: e.g. if you are interested in linking to Jones' orchestral work you would write [[Samuel Jones (composer)#Orchestral|orchestral work]]. Rockpocket 08:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox Migration

Hi! Userbox migration is one proposed solution to the great Userbox debate that has raged on Wikipedia for a while. Basically, the idea is to move Userbox templates to individual sub-pages of their creators. The idea being that editors can create whatever userboxes they wish, as long as they remain in their own sub-pages, and not in other namespace. Do you wish to migrate, or create, a userbox yourself? I can help you do that if you wish. Rockpocket 05:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

For some reason people seem to prefer to have userboxes they create in template space rather than their own userspace (I suppose they think it gives it a great legitimacy, or perhaps because it might attract more attention there). So often when they are moved, their creator will try to move them back. Move-warring may ensue. Since I don't use userboxes myself (I prefer to remain enigmatic!), its not really something that I have much experience in. Rockpocket 07:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nancy's Fancy

Hello -- I actually added a note to the John Adams talk page immediately after inserting Nancy's Fancy into his list of compositions. It reads, "A quick note about my addition of Nancy's Fancy to Adams' list of works, which is undoubtedly an obscure piece (I've never heard it myself). I saw it mentioned in a list of SF Symphony premieres of Adams' work ([1]) as well as in the following article in the SF Chronicle: [2]." Rmannion 00:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Music Images

Hello. Regarding you question about images, i'm afraid I may not be able to give you a definative answers, but I'll do my best. As far as I can tell there is nothing wrong with uploading images of musical notations. However, they will have to be uploaded as images (such as .png files, see Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload). It shouldn't matter what software you use as long as the output meets certain criteria:

• The notated music illustrated in the image must not infringe on someone's copyright (including that of the credited composer of the music and that of the software used to make the image), though you could possibly make a fair use claim if it is under copyright.

• If fair use isn't claimed, it should have a free license, preferably GFDL (so you should check that is compatible with the software, also). You might also wish to consider uploading free images to the Wikimedia Commons rather than Wikipedia (see Wikimedia Commons Help).

You should also be careful of having too many images in a single article, for technical reasons, and also to make sure you don't violate WP:NOT: music notation is fine to illustrate examples or for critical comment, but we shouldn't be reproducing whole large amounts of musical notation (think of it like writing about a book, we can use quotes from the book to illustrate points, but we can't simply reproduce the entire book).

You can upload images using the Upload file link on the toolbox (probably on the left of your screen). Make sure you give it an appropriate license from the pull down menus and also explain the source of the image and any claims of fair use you might make. If you are having problems, there is help at Wikipedia:Uploading images, also feel free to let me know and I can help you out - as it can be tricky until you get the hang of it.

Finally, the above are pretty much general considerations. There may well be precedent or guidelines regarding musical notation that I am not aware of (and not knowing much about music, I may be missing some important copyright issues also). So I would advise you to seek guidance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Noticeboard before doing any wholescale uploading of musical notation. Rockpocket 08:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uploading your MIDI

You can use Special:Upload to upload audio files, however the file type must be Ogg Vorbis. See Wikipedia:Media#Audio for more information, including links to programs that can help you convert file types. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 10:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit count

Hi there and welcome back! There are a few tools you can use to monitor your (or others) edit counts, one is here (though it currently has a long delay). You can also opt into a more detailed analysis of your edits using this tool. There are other tools listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters. Once you have over 5000 edits you can check your "ranking" at Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits (I was 1963rd at the last count), but be careful of Editcountitis. Rockpocket 07:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)