Talk:Skanke Family Association
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[edit] Hoax
This article is NOW almost a hoax. It lays out the flimsily documented pretension, or hoax, that the Skanke families in Norway were descendants of the royals of Manx kingdom. That claim is something between utter fiction and genealogical reconsctruction on flimsy and mostly just indicative evidence.
In truth, there (are and) have been several different Skanke families in Norway, and no documentation of attested genealogical ties between them. Their lineage can, in best cases, be traced backwards up to last medieval century. Before that, everything is more or less a blur, and just some similitude of names, or crest figure, or somesuch has lead to some hopefuls to list a lineage backwards.
The alleged connection between some last Manx prince (in 13th century) and some Skanke family in 16th, using a leg as its crest, is at best a guess. Supported just by some similarity in those figures - well, how close actually are a triskelion figure and a leg figure? they may be totally different things, heraldically.
Between those two points, there then is an import of some late medieval noblemen in Norway using similar-looking figures as crests, or even not that. Genealogy between those is just arbitrary guesswork.
Then, we have no good proof that any Manx prince started a family in Norway. That's just an educated guess.
All in all, if there is going to be an article about Skanke family, it should focus on those families that actually used that surname. They seem to have been peasant families mostly, and located in Jemtland. And leave hints to a more elevated past as small mentions of family legend, not claim them as full truth. And to put the Manx dynasty and its possible heirs to a totally different article, where thay can be neutrally and objectively treated. And those medieval Norwegian lords into a third article, about their attested family. This article NOW makes a farcical POV bullshit bung, appearing to say that this has been a continuous dynasty without any doubts and without any breaks in genealogy. Marrtel 23:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
- Now the article has got some heavy editing, and is going towards being much more NPOV. The version I criticized above was: (= propaganda version/ family legend version) Marrtel 21:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Request for genealogy
As certain editor has now felt it necessary to wail at my talkpage of my giving doubts about the continuity of Manx-Skancke genealogy, I hereby ask the actual genealogy, generation from generation, to be listed publicly. If it really were a true genealogy and properly documented AND without breaks and discontinuity, then it would surely be easy to be listed in all that detail.
However, knowing Norwegian genealogies, having read about Skanke families, and having read for example Vigerust's and Loberg's essays about medieval genealogies in Norway, I greatly presume that ant Manx-Skanke genealogy presented will have serious troubles before 17th century. Marrtel 01:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
