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Contents 1 Good idea 2 A few ideas 3 Council 4 Admin general 5 Hi everyone 6 Promoting Esperanza 7 Coffee lounge and Calendar 8 My Ideas 9 Barnstars 10 GangstaEB has left. 11 Mass-advertising 12 Simple Talk 13 "Need Help" Template 14 Hello 15 Leadership 16 Hi! 17 help 18 Current Sysop General 19 Kindness in anti-vandalism 20 assistent sysop general 21 Esperanza on other projects 22 Esperanza reform 23 Test templates 24 coffee lounge 25 Formula One 26 English Wikipedia Esperanza 27 Esperanza might be deleted on the English Wikipedia 28 Admin general 29 Can the same trouble be prevented? 30 Bringing up the coffee lounge idea again? 31 Administrators 32 EsperanzaHelper 33 Question

[edit] Good idea

Although I would have been opposed to this a few months ago, we have recently seen rapid growth, and I think it would be good to have something to hold the community together. However, I think one member organisation is enough for now and that we should stick to just the Original Barnstar. _Archer7 | ^talk 18:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. --GangstaEB ^talk _contribs 18:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

How exactly do you mean to accomplish your stated goal, "to bring Peace to all our users?" And how will you know when you have done so? Just curious. Blockinblox 20:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

My response to that would be that 'peace' is the feeling of confidence, and support that would come with this sort of thing. We could never completely accomplish it, for it is an ongoing mission (like Wikipedia will never be complete). _Archer7 | ^talk 20:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

And civility,too!-- Tdxiang 07:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few ideas

I've thought about what we might be able to do, and here's a couple of things I think we could help out with:

• Make users feel equal to admins. I am fairly sure that some of our editors believe that admins are superior to them, and that they must join this 'exclusive club' to gain any respect as an editor. This concept is very damaging and action must be taken to ensure that everybody knows that admins are equal, and that they have the right to disagree with them.

• Eliminate divides in the community. For this to work, the community needs to work together as a team to make things happen. As with userboxes, we need to watch what is being posted to see its possible effects on other editors. Small things that we may not even notice much of the time can make one user biased against another etc and we need to look carefully to stop these kinds of things happening.

Any ideas? _Archer7 | ^talk 21:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

How about

• Give long unappreciated editors barnstars. Some editors deserve a barnstar. If we don't show them we appreciate them, we might lose them. GangstaEB ^talk _contribs 21:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Sometimes people want to say thank you, but don't know quite how to say it. _Archer7 | ^talk 22:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no, official or unofficial, guideline to the amount of contributions or diversity of contributions an editor needs to recieve a barnstar, right? I just want to make sure. Picaroon9288 20:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Nope, just have done something which deserves recognition. _Archer7 | ^talk 20:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Council

We should have the advisory council too. Then we can elect members. Isn't that better?-- Tdxiang 08:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we have enoguh members to elect anyone. Archer7 - talk 10:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Archer is right, we should at least get 50 members before we go to electing the advisory council (Tranche A). Maybe 100 members before creating another Tranche. GangstaEB ^talk _contribs 14:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

We elected user:Archer7 to be our admin general. just in a different fashion. MrCEO 12:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin general

I like the idea of Esperanza, and I'll join, but I feel that restricting the admin general to only sysops is going against Archer7's worthy goal of helping users feel equal to sysops. I understand that sysops have been here longer, etc., but theoretically anyone who wasn't fit for the post would not be elected, whether sysop or not, right? --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 01:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

We only elect people we think are worthy. Plus, sysops are good leaders. MrCEO 12:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I second that!-- Tdxiang 07:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Anyway there is no restriction, is there? Any worthy memeber can be an Advisory Comittee member.-- Tdxiang 08:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi everyone

Hi, I'm Jordan Hatch and I am decided to join Esperanza to help the team achieve their goal of making users feel equal. I'm a good friend of Archer7 and I hope to be able to work with the team while we try to make Simple a place that makes the users feel more appreciated. Jordanhatch 21:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Jordan. Hope you love this place. Yes, we are here to build an encyclopedia, but, at the same time, help others who get stressed while helping us, as they are valued here. Nevertheless, EVERY Wikipedian is valuable here.-- Tdxiang 10:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Promoting Esperanza

Place an Esperanza link on your raw signature and we can promote Esperanza!-- Tdxiang 08:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coffee lounge and Calendar

Should we have a Coffee lounge and Calendar, similar to those on the main Esperanza?--TBCΦtalk? 06:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

WAY COOL!!! --I am Kiwi 04:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds great. Archer7 - talk 08:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. Billz (Talk) 08:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I like the coffee lounge. But do we have enough activity for a calendar yet? --LBMixPro^<talk|to|me> 20:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Yea I think a coffee lounge would be good. I can start setting this up if people want? A calender might be ok. On the English Wikipedia they track people's birthdays and first edit days. Maybe it would be nice to have that quality. And we can have people to wish everyone else happy birthday (on their birthdays of course - any other time would be strange :) ). T. Moitie|Talk|Esperanza 02:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Go ahead, Tom. I support your descision.-- Tdxiang 07:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Ideas

Ok I've had a few ideas floating around for this project. First of all I think that we should have some form of a babel userbox so that we can spread the word, and also I was thinking of a templated (simple) welcome message for all new Esperanza members, like they have on the English Wikipedia.

Give me about 20 minutes from now and I'll come back and throw up some examples. T. Moitie|Talk|Esperanza 23:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

OK here is my proposal: User:T. Moitie/esperanzawelcome. And this is what it would look like if it was used on a talk page: User_talk:T. Moitie/esperanzawelcome. Tell me what you think and edit it as appropriate. T. Moitie|Talk|Esperanza 23:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks great, I'll start using that! Archer7 - talk 14:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

You can probably see the changes I've made to the main Esperanza page. The template is now at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Welcome message, and I've made slight changes to how it works. T. Moitie - Talk - Esperanza 20:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• I agree. Thank you, T.Moitie!-- Tdxiang 05:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Very Nice. Would this be something we could place on our user pages and/or talk pages? Is this a template. Where do I go to to find out about templates and how to "install them"? I am Kiwi 21:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstars

How do we give out Barnstars then? There are some real promising members out there that I now have my eye on, such as User:NickGorton. What if we had yet another template for it, attributing the entire Esperanza team to the handing out of the Barnstar, along with the Esperanza branding. This would help promote the project further. Should we think about translating the English Barnstar article to here and making it official? It certainly would make certain editors very happy to know that there is a group of people that cares. T. Moitie|Talk|Esperanza 02:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I have made {{Mbarnstar}} and {{Defendbarnstar}}, and I will look to make some more soon, which should make giving out Barnstars easier. Billz (Talk) 14:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I have just made {{Barnstar}}, which should help us. Billz (Talk) 14:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I am worried about having too many awards. For example, do we really need the Defender of the Wiki barnstar? I can't think of one case where I could use it in the way in which it was originally intended (protecting the wiki from 'fraudulent usage'). Wouldn't the normal barnstar do fine with a nice little note? Archer7 - talk 14:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it would do. Feel free to talk about them on the template's talk pages. Billz (Talk) 14:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I do not want Simple to ever suffer the template overload that Wikipedia has. It is impossible, even with the dozens of documentation pages, to remember even a small portion of the templates on Wikipedia. I've left Template:Barnstar for you. If that doesn't fit your needs, try a nice personal message. I also encourage Esperanza members to not devote too much time on non-editorial pursuits. Your goal should be to encourage contributions, so lead by example. -- Netoholic @ 16:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I felt that different types of Barnstars would encourage members to continue editing and see them as an award. For example, if a user makes a good, helpful edit, I would think that a Minor Barnstar would encourage them to keep editing. Billz (Talk) 17:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I would be insulted by getting a "minor" barnstar. It's like half a thanks. Write a personal note instead. -- Netoholic @ 18:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought minor barnstars were for those who makes a great minor edit. --LBMixPro^<talk|to|me> 18:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree we don't need template overload since this is a smaller Wikipedia. So I think the only official barnstars at simple should be the original one But what stops us from using barnstars from the commons? I'll modify the template to include different Barnstars. —This unsigned comment was added by LBMixPro (talk • contribs) .

I think that we should only have the original barnstar as official on simple, but if it's something incredibly special use a barnstar from commons. But the only one I would encourage for 'regular' use is the original barnstar. Archer7 - talk 18:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GangstaEB has left.

It has been a month since GangstaEB left. We should hold a vigil, asking him to return.-- Tdxiang 08:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mass-advertising

I will block anyone else I see doing any sort of blatant mass-advertising for people to join Esperanza. When someone first comes to Wikipedia, they should get the simple Welcome, not be bombarded with advertising for internal groups. -- Netoholic @ 16:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm very very sorry for the fact --Vector (write to me please) 18:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Netoholic. For Esperanza to be efficient, we probably don't need hordes of people. PullToOpen ^π/_φ 22:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Very well, I'm sorry if I have caused any confusion or distress to any users. I humbly apologise.-- Tdxiang 10:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I know you don't like Esperanza Neto, but blocking is a little extreme. How about a polite note requesting people to stop, rather than threats. I agree that we can't really invite everyone to join that we can find, but threats do not get us anywhere, and just drive people away from this wiki. Archer7 - talk 19:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't dislike Esperanza, but the group is becoming extreme. Spend more time figuring out how to attract high-quality contributors to Simple and have them stay. I am not afraid of driving people away from this wiki if all they are interested in is Esperanza. -- Netoholic @ 20:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you join and help us do it then? Archer7 - talk 21:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simple Talk

I think it'd be a good idea to advertise the Coffee Lounge in Simple Talk. This is my proposed notice, but I want some feedback.

"I'd like to announce Esperanza's Coffee Lounge! It is a place where you can go and chat about anything... except Wikipedia. A real place to get to know your fellow Wikipedians and to relax from the sometimes stressful Wikipedia vandals. Just to let you know, you don't need to be a Esperanza member to chat there. We're tirelessly trying to make editing Wikipedia a nice place to edit. I hope you enjoy this addition to the Wikipedia community."

What do you think? - T. Moitie - Talk - Esperanza 14:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no place at all on Wikipedia which is appropriate for discussing "anything except Wikipedia". What Wikipedia is not an off-topic discussion forum. -- Netoholic @ 17:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

en:wiki:Wikipedia:Esperanza/Coffee lounge - Seems to be no problem here. Page is high visibility and it gets about 25 posts a day. You've just made me think, why has it not been stopped there? I think as Admin general Archer7 should make the decision here. I was just working off the consensus above. T. Moitie - Talk - Esperanza 18:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Many "community" "social" aspects of Wikipedia (coffee lounge, games, userboxes) are unfortunately a result of such a large population, and lack of top-down mechanism to keep people focused on the purpose of the wiki. Consider what would happen if someone nominated the EN: Coffee lounge for deletion... dozens of Esperanza users who like the lounge would flood the deletion vote. Would the wiki crumble without it? No, but then neither does it add tremendous value. -- Netoholic @ 04:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, here's what I think: Anyone that's interested in joining Esperanza will probably have seen the Coffee Lounge, and I don't think it should need advertising. Neto is right that we need to be careful in that we don't make Esperanza a massive part of this wiki, just an organisation to keep us all together, and keep people motivated. However, I do think you are missing something Neto: Wikipedia has to be fun! OK, so all of us like editing etc, but why not add a bit extra to make it really special, bring people together, and just relax. If Wikipedia was not social, we wouldn't be all that great as we are today. The value that it adds is not visible, but it makes a real difference if you stop and think what goes through people's minds. Esperanza should increase our productivity rather than waste our energy by making Wikipedia a more enjoyable place to be. It may not be your idea of fun, but it adds real value to a lot of people. Policies are also not to be enforced to the letter: note that they have an 'edit' button for a reason. They must adapt as we develop. Archer7 - talk 19:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Need Help" Template

I was wondering if we could make a "Need Help" template, so that people who need help could just put it on their talk pages and someone would come to help them. I think English Wikipedia has something like this. I don't know if it would be useful, though, because simple isn't exactly mainstream, and the people who come generally know what they are doing. What do you all think? PullToOpen ^π/_φ 00:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Most people do know what they are doing here. However, people are regularly checking recent changes, ready to help anyone that needs it. I'm not sure that it would be that useful. It only really came about on EN because there are so many new users that may need help, but don't have a clue where to get it. It can be used in more technical matters with more experienced editors, but I think that's what Simple Talk is for. Archer7 - talk 19:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello! I'm a new member in Esperanza. I'd like to know what this project is all about. I'm interested. - Qasamaan 21:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Basicly one of the biggest reasons of people stopping contributing to Wikipedia is from stress and annoyances, which due to the openness of the project and the mass of it, it's difficult to contain. We at Esperanza want to make a community and stop contributors from leaving. This means making a nice environment for people to work. Praising good contributors and helping them out when they need it. In this way we hope to boost the level on contributions. What we want at the moment is people welcoming new members with the welcome template. We also want to find the best contributors and award them with barnstars. I hope this clears it up. -- T. Moitie - Talk - Esperanza 00:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leadership

Archer7 is stepping down soon and I'm wondering who will be our next Administrator General. I suggest we vote for a new one.-- Tdxiang@ 10:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The only other member of Esperanza who is an administrator is User:Billz. Archer7 - talk 20:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I woulchd be happy and very willing to take on the important role as Administrator General if elected to. Billz (Talk) 21:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Why not have a vote like on the main Esperanza? Then again, we don't have enough active members so I don't know how that will work out...--TBCΦtalk? 08:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

What else can we do? Hmmm... vote...yes, we should! Just call all members to vote. :D-- Tdxiang@ 09:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

• Never mind. I tell you what... Archer7, do you agree if we have Billz as our new AG? We should be able to get approval. :) -- Tdxiang @ 09:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well in Esperanza, since Archer7 and Biliz are the only admins here and for the fact that Archer7 is stepping down, we should probably choose Biliz as the Adminstrator General. Or how about simply calling all Esperanza users to vote on somebody like Tdxiang said earlier? --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 00:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, when I recently went to Netoholic's talk page, I found out no one has invited to him to Esperanza so I gave him an invination. Also I discovered he was the only avaible beaucrat, something higher than an admin. --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 01:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

And hate to say it, but its already October 4 in UTC time zone, so Archer7 has reited already. --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 01:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Alright, if you people do not mind. We shall install Billz as our new admin general. He has declared acceptance.-- Tdxiang @ 09:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Although it doesn't make much difference now, it's fine by me! Archer7 - talk 20:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Can I candidate me at the president of the esperanza? :-) --Vector (write to me please) 20:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

No offense, but this AG status is for only administrators (and beaucrats) hence the name "administrator". But you can nomiate yourself to be a sysop, unless they support for you. I hope this reply answers your question. --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 03:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Hi everyone, I just joined Esperanza. I didn't really think I'd be back in simple wiki so soon, but there seems to be so much to do here compared to the regular English wiki. I have not really learned how to simple talk yet but I think it will just take some time getting used to. I'll help out by welcoming new users when I see them and probably on some other future to dos. Well, back to work for me. Bye! zephyr2k 10:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] help

curious...how do i join? o.0jamie's secret admierer 03:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)jamierules — This unsigned comment was added by jamierules (talk • contribs) .

Replied here.-- Tdxiang @ 03:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current Sysop General

I've made Billz the current AG or SG (sysop general) for Esperanza with his term set to expire on December 31 or New Years Eve. The third SG would either be Archer7 again (if no new admin are on Esperanza) or another new admin. --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 04:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

• How about extending their terms or admending the charter? So we can have an Advisory Committee as soon as possible.-- Tdxiang @ 10:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

We don't have 50 members yet. But I think someone added Billz's name on the leadership charter. But right now, let's see if any new sysops join or another user becomes a sysop later. We'll extend the terms if by that time nothing still happens. --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 01:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Vector has become a sysop. Why not nominate him?The life of brian 14:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Why can't we change the charter so anyone can be sysop general. If we nominate someone who is just a editor that peson will have more time for esperanza.thank you and god bless.--Sir James Paul 21:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC) There's a reason, that the sysop general is a sysop. Please see Wikipedia:Administrator. Sysop is another word for administrator. The life of brian 20:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm very very very happy to became the sysop general in esperanza :) --Vector ^_^ (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Lets vote for someone to take his place while he's gone. Lets make it so his temporary replacement does not have to be a administrator. Editors would do fine.--Sir James Paul 03:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• scratches his head* I don't know. I think that sysops are the only people who should be in charge of esperanza. Also, after Billz's term which expires by New Year's Eve, Vector will be the next SG in line (term ends in March 31, 2007), then Tangotango (term expires in June 30, 2007), and then Epatlon (term expires in September 31, 2007). By then if there are more admins in Esperanza, who ever comes next will be the next SG after Epalton, his or her term will then expire on December 31, 2007 whoever it will be. --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 11:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kindness in anti-vandalism

I feel that kindness is also a must in anti-vandalism, as seen in this page on EN. Therefore, I have assembled a series of friendly warning templates.

Name	Current text	Where
{{User:Tdxiang/Test1}}	Thank you, Esperanza/Archive 1, for trying out things here on Wikipedia. Your test has worked and has now been removed. If you would like to know more about working on articles here, feel free to take a look at the welcome template we have here. If you have any other queries, do not hesitate to drop me a line by clicking here. Thank you once again for trying things out! Thank you for contributing. It makes way for a better encyclopedia!	User talk pages
{{User:Tdxiang/Test2}}	User:Tdxiang/Test2	User talk pages
{{User:Tdxiang/Test3}}	STOP Dear Esperanza/Archive 1, you have been warned for many times and this is your last warning. You can make your choice: to either vandalise or co-operate with us and refrain from vandalism. Thank you. Refrain. That way, all of us can enjoy a better encyclopedia!	User talk pages

I hope you will put them to good use. Thank you!-- Tdxiang ^Adminship 10:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't particularly like them. The {{test}} template is nice enough the way it is in my opinion. The Test2 and Test3 templates just seem a little too nice to me. Archer7 - talk 14:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

There should be a few more vamdal templates with nice content, but these are just a fraction too nice The life of brian 20:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments.-- Tdxiang 10:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] assistent sysop general

Why don't we make the office of assitent sysop general to help the SG and to replace him if he has some problems and will be gone for a while. We will have to make it so everyone can have the job so we have a lot of people to choose from. If you vote on this and it wins I would like to run for the job. Thanks--Sir James Paul 03:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• As its name suggests, only sysops are allowed to be the Admin General. Sorry, but you have to be an admin first.-- Tdxiang 10:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

What I'm saying is to have someone to assist the sysop general. This would be a new office so we could make a rule saying that it can be anyone. If it could only be a sysop then we would not have much of a choice.--Sir James Paul 20:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

can I candidate me? --Vector ^_^ (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course you can vector.--Sir James Paul 20:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC) I think we need this office.--Sir James Paul 20:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC) I think it is a great idea to have a assistent SG.--Sir James Paul 22:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Vector, I think it may be a little bit redundent to have a ASG (assistant sysop general) for now becuase although I like the idea, Esperanzea's current goal is to at least 50 members and make an advisory council. Once we reach those goals, we could then make a ASG. But all ASG must be only sysops (that includes admins, buercrats, checkusers, and maybe even stewards; if we had one).

Vector is not the one who came up with the idea, I did. I think it would be a great job to make now because Billz is gone. The ASG could take over his duties until he is back. Thanks.--Sir James Paul 15:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, it is completely pointless to have an assistant sysop general. The regular sysop general doesn't even have very many duties anyway, so why would an assistant be needed? Plus, with Billz on wikibreak, all we need to do is elect an interim SG. We don't need an assistant. (Except for the obvious, which I won't mention because it is somewhat rude o.o) PullToOpen ^Talk 02:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza on other projects

I am trying to spread the ideas of Esperanza to wikiquote but the administrators there are trying to delete it. I am wondering if someone will give me a hand in spreading it. What I mean by that is by going on the articles for deletion and casting a vote or by telling the members of wikiquote the truth about Esperanza. Another thing you can do is run for vice president or president. Thanks.--Sir James Paul 02:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Please note that the use of meat puppets is considered a violation of Wikipedia's policies.--TBCΦtalk? 02:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza reform

Esperanza was nominated for deletion a few days ago at the en:Wikipedia. The result was no consensus, as the page reached 200kb in twelve hours. As a consequence, an overhaul was initiated, which has so far resulted in the deletion of several of its flagship programs. You may wish to consider Esperanza's position here, such as whether it is necessary or whether your current and planned programs add to the Wikipedia or distract editors from editing. 82.34.242.138 17:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• I think Esperanza contributes very much to the wikipedia. Some projects may not be that important, but I think the barnstars are very important to what wikipedia is now. The life of brian 17:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it has helped bring a lot of editors closer and we do have more a community feel to it now. However, Esperanza must be watched. We can't let things get messy and useless. Right now, I think barnstars are being over-used, they're rapidly losing their value. Any thoughts? Archer7 - talk 20:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree with Archer7. Give them out when you feel that the person genuinely deserves it. PullToOpen ^Talk 21:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza on Simple is much more vital than it is on the English Wikipedia. Whereas the English Wikipedia has hundreds of active contributors, Simple only has under 50; thus losing active users due to being stressed or unhappy can become much more devastating.--TBCΦtalk? 04:54, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Test templates

I have created two new test templates:

• Thank you for trying out how to move articles on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and the page has been moved back. Please do any testing in the sandbox and see the welcome page if you want to learn about helping Simple English Wikipedia.

• Thank you for experimenting with removing things from Wikipedia pages. Your test worked, and what you removed has been restored. Please use the sandbox if you want to do any more tests, and see the welcome page if you want to learn about helping the Simple English Wikipedia.

What do you think of them and should they become "official"? —This unsigned comment was added by The life of brian (talk • contribs) 14:05, December 2, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] coffee lounge

I really think we should get rid of the coffee lounge. All it is, is a distration from our work as editors. I think we should get rid of it, its a major waste. We come to wikipedia to edit, not to talk and make friends. If you want to talk go to a chat room. This is a total waste. Plus people never go there.--Sir James Paul 04:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I have completely lost interest in the coffee lounge, since currently it is almost a ghost town, so I am not afraid of the lounge being deleted. There was already a discussion on this in "Wikipedia:Requests_for_deletion/Log_2" which was soon kept. RaNdOm26 10:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

No one ever goes there. The last comment was on November 17. It is a total waste.--Sir James Paul 12:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC) I am going to put it up for deletion. It needs to go, it is a total waste.--Sir James Paul 12:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with deletion, but do not agree with a protect on recreating. When this wikipedia grows the demand for a place like the coffee lounge will grow. Frits 23:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formula One

I've been working on the Ayrton Senna article for a bit now. I also started the Juan Manuel Fangio article and I remembered the project on the English wikipedia. It's a group similar to Esperanza, but then for the Formula One. Is anyone interested in joining me helping to expand the database of (Formula 1) racing articles? I'm doing this in my spare time at the moment, so this is about the hardest I can work on a productive Saturday evening. Frits 23:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• Please take out the flag template in the champions article, as it does not exist on simple wp. The life of brian 20:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm doing that at the moment, just give me a few minutes and it's done. Wasn't aware about that. Frits 15:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
    • No prob, just thought I should have reminded you. ;) The life of brian 18:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
      • You can now put in some flag templates (A-C) e.g. {{CAN}} for Canada. see [[Category:Flag templates]] for more

[edit] English Wikipedia Esperanza

Hello, I didn't notice any rules regarding edit count for the simple english esperanza, but I was wondering 1. If there are any and 2. I am a member of the English Esperanza, may I join the Simple English one too?

As far as I am aware, we have no restrictions at all regarding Esperanza. You certainly can join here. PullToOpen^Talk 21:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza might be deleted on the English Wikipedia

The concerns people have written here are interesting and could help us improve. If anyone doesn't understand a part, ask me and I will write it in simple English, or at least try to.  :-) Dar-Ape 02:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

• This happens to be the second time it has been voted for deletion.-- Tdxiang 10:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza has now been closed down on the English Wikipedia. Archer7 - talk 19:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin general

I suppose we could have a vote to see who becomes the next admin general after Billz. His term expires today.-- Tdxiang 10:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not? Are you going to nominate yourself? The life of brian 16:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like we already gave it to Vector, but if anyone else wants to run for it we should hold elections. Archer7 - talk 17:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• Well, no need to. :)-- Tdxiang 09:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can the same trouble be prevented?

Since this organization has been forced to close on the main English Wikipedia, should this one take some of the frequently raised points and try and implement them? I mean, some things might not have gotten to the point where they were on the main EA. I don't know what the culture difference between here and there is, or if this matters. 68.39.174.238 08:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bringing up the coffee lounge idea again?

Wondering whether we could go ahead with the Coffee Lounge idea. Since the closure of EN's Esperanza, we will be criticised heavily if nothing is done. I saw this idea for a "Coffee Lounge" has been brought up before, if not that then something else that promotes loose chat and discussion that isn't a WP thing. Jordanhatch 22:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

We had one, and no-one used it. EN's Esperanza was also heavily criticized because of the Coffee Lounge. Wikipedia on IRC normally has a lot of off-topic discussion however. Archer7 - talk 22:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• I doubt the community would support it. --Sir James Paul ,La gloria è a dio 04:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Well the project has my support. I would have used the Coffee Lounge if someone would have been there... The life of brian 20:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Administrators

Is there a reason why administrators should use {{admin}} when listing themselves as members of Esperanza? If not, they should use {{user}} like everybody else as {{admin}} gives the impression that users with administrator rights are superior to those without. J Di 01:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, they actually kind of are... --70.179.170.119 05:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EsperanzaHelper

EsperanzaHelper (talk ▪ changes) should probably be indefinitely blocked as their username violates Wikipedia's username policy. Their only edit was made in December. J Di 01:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Something in the back of my mind says that this might be GangstaEB, but I don't have a problem with it if the user isn't editing. If the user comes back, I'll tell him/her to get a new account. PullToOpen^Talk 03:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hey, just have a little question I wanted to throw out there to see if anyone can provide some guidance. In articles regarding specific animals (see firefly as an example), I would assume that Simple Wikipedia should still have taxoboxes similar to English Wikipedia, but I was wondering if Simple Wiki has any guidelines on taxoboxes, as the form that they take in English Wiki is far from "simple". I would imagine that the beginning English speaker would just look at taxoboxes as they are and dismiss them as a bunch of complex mumbojumbo. Didn't know where else to ask this, so thanks. Jhml 19:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• Hello, thank you for this question. Mind placing it here? We can reply faster. Thanks.-- Tdxiang 02:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)