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May 2002 – July 2006

Contents 1 Personnel count -- incl. USMC? 2 Color of enlisted rank insignia 3 Naval Forces Commands 4 Article size 5 John Adams 6 See Also section 7 Missing 8 Chain of command 9 Distraction in first Sentence 10 Dont tread on me... what does it mean?

[edit] Personnel count -- incl. USMC?

Does the listed total of USN personnel include the Marine Corps? Either way, I suggest a line should be added clarifying (along with a link to the USMC page.) 24.3.142.198 18:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Color of enlisted rank insignia

I noticed that you have not mentioned the significance of the color of Enlisted Rank Insignia in the navy. Normally, the insignia's main color is Blue, but they are red in only one instance: When a Enlisted Person has any marks on their record, they must change to Red insignia. Red insignia is the universal stigma of not having a clean record. The Army equivalent is the Good Conduct meadal, which is worn only by Enlisted Persons who have had their record clean for at least three years. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 14:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• I will add a small paragraph on insignia color, but you are incorrect in that red insignia signifies a mark on their record. The official navy uniform regulations state that red insignia is to be worn if the uniform is blue.[1] Arcimpulse 19:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Enlisted rate insignia (enlisted sailors do not have "rank") are, by default, red on all service blue and dress blue uniforms. The exception is that if the sailor has served for twelve years without a significant disciplinary incident (i.e., captain's mast, court-martial, etc.), he/she may wear a gold rating badge on the dress blue uniform (the winter blue/working blue rating badge is ALWAYS red). SquidSK ^(1MC•log) 06:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
• In addition, the Navy also awards the Good Conduct Medal for every three years of consecutive service without NJP or worse.68.55.58.183 06:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
• Prior to 1 January 1996, the period of service required for the Good Conduct Medal was four years. Also, in addition to lack of NJP or Court Martial, there are required minimum performance evaluation marks - since January 1996, that minimum is that no performance evaluation marks can be below 2.0. CruiserBob 01:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Forces Commands

A paragraph involving Naval shore forces commands has been repeatedly removed from this article over the past six months with little or no explanation by a handful of users. It reads:

"The Navy also maintains several "Naval Forces Commands" which operate naval shore facilities and serve as liaison units to local ground forces of the Air Force and Army. Such commands are answerable to a Fleet Commander as the shore protector component of the afloat command. During times of war, all Naval Forces Commands augment to become task forces of a primary fleet. Some of the larger Naval Forces Commands in the Pacific Ocean include Commander Naval Forces Korea (CNFK), Commander Naval Forces Marianas (CNFM), and Commander Naval Forces Japan (CNFJ)"

This paragraph is absolute fact and should be included. I was a member of CNFK for four years and can attest that Naval Forces Commands make up an important part of the Navy shore establishment.

I agree, Naval Support Facilites should all be mentioned also. - 70.106.43.145 14:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article size

The issue of the article's large size (74 kb) has been brought up repeatedly in peer review. In terms of content, the article looks fine, so I'm going to nip and tuck various areas to try to bring it down. Also, I'm considering making more daughter articles.Arcimpulse 23:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd be quite happy to establish a 'Organisation of the US Navy'; what I would like is it not to have completely accurate sections deleted. The main page at the moment presents a slightly inaccurate version of the way the NAvy is organised. Buckshot06 08:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking objectively at the article, it has occurred to me that more daughter articles would help out the readability greatly. I'll see what I can split off.Arcimpulse 01:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: I've begun with the Military Sealift section, and will probably look at the ship or organization section next. Arcimpulse 02:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I've managed to trim the article from 80 to 73. Hope everybody is happy with it. If not, there's always the revert link. Arcimpulse 04:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John Adams

No mention of John Adams? 205.174.22.28 06:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See Also section

Is the See Also section necessary? The links that are in there now (plus the ones that I recently deleted) are all contained in the main body of the article. If we are to keep a See Also section, I think there needs to be some links added that aren't found elsewhere on the page. SquidSK ^(1MC•log) 06:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The see also section is a convenient place to keep links for individuals who want to look at each source individually, instead of having to search through the text of the article itself. I vote that it stays. 24.3.142.198 18:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing

• Navy Personnel Command Scriberius 17:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Naval Security aboard ships and shore is conducted by Navy Master-at-Arms, not the Coast Guard

[edit] Chain of command

unless one happens to be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

This phrase was deleted because the Commandant doesnt report to CJCS-no one does. CJSC is an advisor to POTUS, not a member of the chain of command. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.185.55.78 (talk) 22:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Distraction in first Sentence

What concerns me about a weak first sentence is the mention of aliases. Introduction: "My name is George Brown, my friends call me 'Sammy,' the police know me as "Joe Jones." I find this startling as an initial introduction, I don't care how many Strunk and White comments can be quoted to say otherwise! It distracts from the rest of the article.

How about the following, then? The United States Navy is the branch of the United States armed forces responsible for conducting naval operations. Also referred to as the USN or the U.S. Navy, its stated mission is "to maintain, train and equip combat-ready Naval forces capable of winning wars, deterring aggression and maintaining freedom of the seas."

On that topic, how is it that the United States Navy in its 225 years or so of existence has never ever done anything wrong or controversial? In Wikipedia, that must have taken some huge amount of revising!

If you can find some credible sources for criticisms, by all means, put it in as a dedicated section. I feel that the article is lacking in that as well, but I do not have the expertise in that matter. Therefore, I defer it to anyone who does. Just make sure it's NPOV, and it'll be a welcome addition. Arcimpulse 23:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess the dedicated editors are never wrong either!

As a result the article is not terrifically credible. Wikipedia is usually my first source of information, but it can't be for the US Navy. Student7 21:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. --ElKevbo 21:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dont tread on me... what does it mean?

What does that mean, and what's up with the snake???

-G

Check out the Gadsden flag page, it explains the background in good detail. - BillCJ 05:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)