Wikipedia:WikiProject Gilbert and Sullivan

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Some Wikipedians have formed a project to better organize information in the articles related to Gilbert and Sullivan. The project is also intended to complete or add new articles within its "Scope" described below. It is hoped that this project, and the discussions here, will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians. For future reference, you can easily reach this page via the shortcut WP:G&S.

To find out more about what we have been doing, see Scope and Articles below. For Article Assessments, visit the assessment department.

If you would like to help, consider looking at the To do lists below, including clean-up tasks and new article opportunities below. You could also adopt an article. Feel free to add additional tasks or articles to these lists. If you would like to join us, please add your name to the list of participants.

Current discussions include: categories (discussion of G&S sub-categories), opera categories (discussion of how the operas should be categorized) and opera articles (discussion of how the opera articles should be structured.

For general information on WikiProjects, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject and Wikipedia:WikiProject/Best practices.

Contents 1 Scope 2 About this project 2.1 Goal 2.2 Related WikiProjects 2.3 Participants 3 Articles 3.1 Main articles 3.2 Other articles 4 To do lists 4.1 Clean-up tasks 4.1.1 Major articles 4.1.2 Other cleanup opportunities 4.2 New article opportunities 4.2.1 Works 4.2.2 Opera companies 4.2.3 People 4.2.4 Miscellaneous 4.3 Adopt an article 5 General strategy and discussion forums 6 Templates 6.1 Infoboxes 6.2 Talk-page notice for articles 6.3 Talk-page notice for categories 7 Userbox 8 Categories 9 Lists 10 See also

[edit] Scope

The scope of this project is:

• W. S. Gilbert
• Arthur Sullivan
• The fourteen Gilbert and Sullivan operas, also known as the Savoy Operas
• Other Works by W. S. Gilbert and Compositions by Arthur Sullivan
• D'Oyly Carte Opera Company and members of the D'Oyly Carte family.
• Other people who worked with Gilbert and Sullivan, D'Oyly Carte or the Savoy Operas.
• Performers who have appeared in their operas
• Professional companies (other than D'Oyly Carte) that regularly perform or performed G&S
• The International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival
• Sources of G&S information or scholarship

[edit] About this project

[edit] Goal

To increase the accuracy, clarity, coverage and overall quality of articles related to Gilbert and Sullivan, their works, colleagues and lives.

[edit] Related WikiProjects

• WikiProject Opera (parent project)
• WikiProject Musical Theatre

[edit] Participants

• Marc Shepherd
• Ssilvers
• Derek Ross
• shsilver (not the same as ssilvers, above)
• jmptdc
• GodolphincobbEsq.
• mdcollins1984
• Adam Cuerden
• Anivron
• Moreschi
• Scott Farrell

[edit] Articles

[edit] Main articles

• Gilbert and Sullivan
• W. S. Gilbert (this article has been rated a Featured Article).
• Arthur Sullivan
• Savoy Opera
• D'Oyly Carte Opera Company

[edit] Other articles

At this time, there are articles for:

• All fourteen of the Gilbert and Sullivan operas. See Savoy Opera.

• Every opera that Arthur Sullivan wrote with other collaborators. See: Operas by Arthur Sullivan.

• Most of the operas that W. S. Gilbert wrote with other collaborators and the Bab Ballads, but only a handful of Gilbert's plays and other works other than operas. See: Bibliography of W.S. Gilbert and List of W. S. Gilbert dramatic works.

• Many of the historically important Gilbert and Sullivan performers.

• Many of the historically important People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan.

• Most of the curtain raisers that played together with Savoy Operas at the Savoy Theatre. See Savoy Opera.

• Most of the theatres historically associated with Gilbert and Sullivan. See the main Gilbert and Sullivan category.

• The International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival, a three-week annual G&S festival

• A number of the professional opera or repertory companies that regularly perform G&S, such as:
  • Opera della Luna
  • Carl Rosa Opera Company
  • New York Gilbert and Sullivan Players
  • Opera a la Carte
  • Skylight opera theatre
  • English National Opera
  • Ohio Light Opera
  • Washington Savoyards

• Articles about a number of professional companies that performed G&S in the past, but have closed, such as:
  • Light Opera of Manhattan
  • American Savoyards
  • J. C. Williamson

[edit] To do lists

[edit] Clean-up tasks

The following articles are candidates for expansion, re-organization, or clean-up:

[edit] Major articles

The articles on the Savoy Operas and other operas by G and/or S are of widely varying quality. See /Opera articles for discussion of how articles in this project should be structured.

Also:

1. The Gilbert and Sullivan article has numerous "Cultural Influences" items that ought to be moved to the individual operas noted, except for a few of the most important ones, which ought to be in both articles. The article also needs to have citations of sources added.
2. The Arthur Sullivan article needs more in-line citations. With some work, it could be improved to a Featured Article.
3. The D'Oyly Carte Opera Company article needs more citations. It also needs to be harmonised with the Savoy Theatre, Opera Comique, and Royalty Theatre articles, among other relevant topics.
4. The Richard D'Oyly Carte, Helen D'Oyly Carte, Rupert D'Oyly Carte and Bridget D'Oyly Carte articles need to be polished and harmonised with each other and with the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company article.

[edit] Other cleanup opportunities

• The German Reed Entertainment and Thomas German Reed articles need expansion, as do the articles on some of the Gilbert works for the Reeds, all of which are linked from the German Reed Entertainment article.
• Several of the articles for Gilbert's other plays are start-class articles and need more thorough synopses and/or background information. For example, The Mountebanks and Princess Toto could use cleanup and some expansion and tweaking.

(See /Opera articles for our style guideline).

• Several of the theatre articles need expansion, including Opera Comique, Royalty Theatre, Savoy Theatre, and St. George's Hall.
• J. C. Williamson, Washington Savoyards, Ohio Light Opera, Opera a la Carte, Opera della Luna, and other professional G&S groups' pages need to be expanded and/or upgraded.
• Victoria and Merrie England's "Description of scenes" is still weak.
• The article on "Onward, Christian Soldiers" could use a discussion of its cultural significance. Wasn't it a Salvation Army theme song?
• The Long Day Closes (song) could use a another editor's eyes.
• Wikisource:Author:Arthur Sullivan and Wikisource:Author:W. S. Gilbert give an idea of how much isn't yet ready on the sister sites.
• The Fun (magazine) article needs another editor's eyes, and the citation format should be fixed.
• People: More work is needed on:
  • Nancy McIntosh, especially a description of her later years living with the Gilberts. Also, some of this info should be summarized in Gilbert's article.
  • William Greet.
  • Composers, e.g., Frederic Clay, Edward German, Edward Solomon, Frank Osmond Carr, Alexander Mackenzie, and Alfred Cellier (See Savoy Opera for names of others).
  • Librettists, e.g., F. C. Burnand, Basil Hood, Henry Pottinger Stephens, and B. C. Stephenson (See Savoy Opera for names of others).

[edit] New article opportunities

Feel free to add an article on any relevant topic, as long as it is encyclopedic, adopts a neutral point of view, and is verifiable. Normally the best way to ensure verifiability and neutrality is to cite sources, rather than relying on what you merely believe to be true. Some participants also believe that articles should be "notable". See WP:MUS WP:BIO and WP:ORG. Below are suggestions for new articles that are needed to round out the G&S coverage on Wikipedia.

[edit] Works

Gilbert wrote some 80 operas and plays. Fewer than half of these have articles. Some of the most important Gilbert plays that need their own articles include:

• The Princess (1870)
• The Happy Land (1873)
• The Wicked World (1873)
• Gretchen (play) (1879)
• Foggerty's Fairy (1881)

(See /Opera articles for our style guideline. For a working example of how these articles could be structured, see His Excellency).

• There are still a number of major Sullivan works that could use an article, including:
  • The Window; or, The Song of the Wrens, song cycle to a text of eleven poems by Tennyson.
  • On Shore and Sea - A delightful dramatic cantata.
  • L'Île Enchantée - A Sullivan Ballet, probably the most performable of his ballets today. (Will need suitable redirects to deal with the accented characters.)

[edit] Opera companies

• Articles are missing on Somerset Opera[1], Essgee Entertainment?, Grim's Dyke Opera?, Cotswald Savoyards?, Gilbert and Sullivan for All and several other professional G&S performing companies. Please list any here that you know of.

[edit] People

• Most of the key G&S performers and other people associated with G&S have been added (see "clean-up opportunities" above), but there are still some conductors and some composers, librettists and lyricists of the lesser Savoy Operas and curtain raisers listed at Savoy Opera that do not yet have articles.

[edit] Miscellaneous

• There could be an article describing G&S scholarship today and the major G&S museum collections and other principal G&S sources available for G&S enthusiasts.

[edit] Adopt an article

Would you like to adopt an article? This would involve doing the research, writing, and finding public domain images to create or improve an article. Just pick an article from one of the "To do" lists above and start editing (see "clean-up tasks" and "new article opportunities" above). Of course, anyone can edit any article, even if someone had "adopted" it. But the idea of adopting an article is to focus for a while on a particular article until you feel it is as completely researched and referenced, and as well-written as you can make it, with a view of building up the number of high quality articles relating to this project. When you are finished working on an adopted article, leave a message on the talk page to let the other members of the project know you are finished, and they can look it over.

Adopted articles in progress:

• Edward German: Anivron

[edit] General strategy and discussion forums

• /Categories
• /Opera categories
• /Opera articles

[edit] Templates

[edit] Infoboxes

• {{Gilbert and Sullivan}}, which expands to

Gilbert and Sullivan
The Triumvirate: W. S. Gilbert | Arthur Sullivan | Richard D'Oyly Carte
The Gilbert and Sullivan Operas: Thespis • Trial by Jury • The Sorcerer • H.M.S. Pinafore • The Pirates of Penzance • Patience • Iolanthe • Princess Ida The Mikado • Ruddigore • The Yeomen of the Guard • The Gondoliers • Utopia, Limited • The Grand Duke
Other Works and People: Other Works by W. S. Gilbert • Other Operas by Arthur Sullivan • Other Music by Arthur Sullivan People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan • Gilbert and Sullivan performers

[edit] Talk-page notice for articles

• {{G&S-project}}, which expands to

	This article is part of WikiProject Gilbert and Sullivan, an attempt to complete and improve the Gilbert and Sullivan related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
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[edit] Talk-page notice for categories

• {{G&S-category}}, which expands to

This category is part of WikiProject Gilbert and Sullivan, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Gilbert and Sullivan and related topics. If you would like to participate, you can choose to edit the articles attached to this page, to create new articles, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.

[edit] Userbox

• {{User G&S}}, which expands to

[edit] Categories

Category	Purpose
Gilbert and Sullivan	G&S-related articles not falling into one of the more specific categories listed below.
Gilbert and Sullivan performers	Biographical articles about people who have performed Gilbert and Sullivan. There is no consensus for how notable or substantial a person's G&S career needs to have been, to justify inclusion in this category.
People associated with Gilbert and Sullivan	Collaborators, impresarios, and other people with a substantial association with Gilbert and Sullivan and/or their operas other than performers.
Works by W. S. Gilbert	Works by W. S. Gilbert other than the fourteen G&S operas.
Compositions by Arthur Sullivan	Works by Arthur Sullivan, other than operas.
Operas by Arthur Sullivan	Operas by Arthur Sullivan, other than his operas with Gilbert.
Operas by Gilbert and Sullivan	Self-explanatory. Note that this category is a sub-category of Gilbert and Sullivan, Works by W. S. Gilbert, and Operas by Arthur Sullivan.

[edit] Lists

"Lists" are unnecessary for items that are already included in "categories".

Possible lists for creation:

• Complete list of Arthur Sullivan works, excluding operas (many of these will never have their own articles, so they will not be covered by categories)
• a List of Bab Ballads
• a Complete list of Savoy Operas (Savoy Opera only includes pieces that played at the Savoy. Some pieces were played only on tour.) See here.
• a list of major G&S performing companies

[edit] See also

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