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[edit] Crusaders
Hi, I'm submitting this article for peer review now as I think it's nearly ready for FAC nomination. This article is on the rugby union team that competes in the Super 14. I'd really like any comments that could help fix any issues that may arise during an FAC nomination. Please be specific, I'm especially interested in comments regarding criteria 1a, prose especially. - Shudda talk 03:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, hey, in respect to criteria 1a "the pose is compelling, even brilliant" I think this passes it well, the informal tone I noticed during the GA review seems to have been disolved aswell. My one thought is in relation to the section on the team colors and uniform, it seems pretty short, see if you can incorporate it into another section if at all possible †he Bread 3000 06:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see the point of the second and third paragraphs in the lead-in. They are too long to be a summary of the club's history. They should be condensed into one short paragraph. The prose in the club history section needs some work.GordyB 18:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well ,as per WP:LEAD, "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article,". So I've included information on history, records, and notable players, because these things are all covered in detail in the article. Also "The relative weight given to points in the lead should reflect the relative weight given to each in the remainder of the article." Looking at it though, I think there may be too much detail, but something on history, records, and notable players should definitely be there. Also, could I have some more detail on what prose, specifically, needs work. It's not as helpful just to say it needs it. Thanks. - Shudda talk 22:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- For one thing too many sentences begin either 'The Crusaders' or 'The Blues'. Some of the sentences need to be re-written so that they have a different start.GordyB 14:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Super 14
I havn't worked on this article but I believe that a peer-review is necessary. Please be specific, we should be aiming to get this article to Good Article standard at least. - Shudda talk 23:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- My ideas for improvement:
- The lead section needs to be rewritten, especially the second paragraph. Also, needs to add some information on the history of the competition, especially past winners, possibly some of the major records as well.
- Should be a section competition format and sponsorship. That would include information on the naming rights as well the competition section.
- The SANZAR section should be near the top, and should be rewritten. It's in need of some references.
- The history section needs a lot of work. The origins is good, however the Super 12 section is far to small. The expansion section of the history part should be about the Super 14 and the inclusion of the new teams. The information about the Spears could maybe go in the teams section, also, I think it should be summarised, far to much info there.
- The teams section could include discussion on who the teams represent. The New Zealand, Australian and South African teams are all organised and structured differently. New Zealand has a franchise system, each team is owned by the NZRU, Australia it's mainly State teams and South Africa I'm not sure.
- Below the Super 14 could be expanded, especially the impact that the Super 14 has had on those competitions (they've been around since before the Super 12).
- Media coverage section needs to be expanded. Is there a good reason the video game section even exists?
- The firsts in the records section should be removed.
- Remove unnecessary external links.
- More references are needed, especially inline citations.
- Any comments? - Shudda talk 02:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
All of your points will be great for improving the article. I've got a few ideas:
- In particular, the competition/format section could do with a big expansion.
- Future section is kind of dodgy, I say move to players stuff into history, as it won't be 'future' soon.
- The rest should go into a paragraph to go below the teams table, along with other info (Spears etc.)
- Merge Snzr into comp/format?
- Below the Super 14? Maybe change to "Other competitions" and include a little 3N info?
- No need for Rugby World Cup-like tables for the results section. No flags either imo.
- Obviously the stats/records section would be better as text as opposed to lists.
- Video game section should be merged into "Media coverage" and changed to "Media"...add info about first inclusion in a game, format, platform etc.
- Merge "Other trophies" into "Trophy". Cvene64 13:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick review for the moment:
- largest rugby union championship in the southern hemisphere - I don't think so... Surely other tournaments have more teams playing... Perhaps the largest in terms of revenue or spectators, but certainly not the largest tournament in the traditional sense. this needs to be clarrified.
- Try using the term Round-robin tournament to describe the workings of the first round in the lead, it is currently messy.
- The current competition is the Super 14, this was not inaugurated in 1996, but 2006. Again, this needs to be clarified.
- Naming rights. Yes, they are different in the three participating countries, why? Also, what is it called outside of these three countries as it is televised to over 41 countries.
- references required for the logo section.
- dramatic finish to the 1995 World Cup in South Africa, why was it dramatic? why was it relevant? is dramatic encyclopaedic? Why start that section with that tournament and then go back to 1986? Seems disjointed to me...
- Paid television is significant in the development of the professional league, but we need proper references here. This need for references should also be applied to the entire article.
- Perhaps too much detail and space given to the defunct spears. Five paragraphs seems a bit excessive considering almost no details are given to the tournament between 1996 and 2004.
- We talk about franchises, not clubs or provincial sides, why was this the basis. Did these franchises grow out of provinces? who runs them? who funds them?
- with 12 sides and three countries, why was there not a 4-4-4 split of these franchises? Why did Australia get just three, SA four and NZ five?
- other trophies, what are the significance of these trophies? Where did they come from, why are they important? Are they part of the S14? Do they need to be mentioned?
- Team records could be put in a table
- Below the Super 14 reword this heading
--Bob 08:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
