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Contents 1 Belgian Casualties 2 Do the death figures contain Influenza deaths 3 Canadian Casualties 4 New values, tables, and piecharts 5 Sources 6 Major update 7 Serbian Losses 8 Avoiding self-reference 9 Entente Powers 10 Page Formatting 11 Missing soldiers 12 The US numbers don't add down-Please Correct 13 Ottoman Empire 14 PLEASE FIX US CASUALTIES--THE MISTAKE MAKES THE WHOLE PAGE LOOK BAD 15 Duh numbers don't add- 16 Just wonderin'.... 17 What needs to be done on this page 18 Why I made the changes 19 Canadian war dead- Official sources are in conflict 20 Australian War Dead- Official Sources are in conflict 21 New Zealand War Dead- Official sources are in conflict 22 South African War Dead- Official Sources are in conflict 23 Indian War Dead-Official Sources are in conflict 24 UK & Colonies- Official sources are in conflict 25 UK-Commonwealth Civilian Casualties 26 UK Civilian Casualties due to U Boat attacks 27 Ottoman Muslim casualties of World War I 28 Ottoman empire civilian losts is under represented. 29 Czechoslovak Legions 30 Total personnel for Allied powers

• Talk:World War I casualties/Archive 1

[edit] Belgian Casualties

The Belgian number is almost certainly too low. They fielded a sizeable army and I expect the deaths to be between the high 20's to as much as 40,000. Other numbers for wounded etc. would increase as well. John Mosier lists two different numbers (thus creating a question on his sources) but both are much higher, ie. 35,000 and 24,729 dead. He also lists 63,000 missing, and no number for wounded.

12.june 2006: My history book says the total amount of belgian casualties (both military and civilian) is 115.000

[edit] Do the death figures contain Influenza deaths

I ask becasue the American figure of 100,000 + seems to include non-battle deaths. This conflicts with the note at the end of the civilian section:

• Note that there is some debate if indirect deaths, like those killed by the Spanish Flu should be counted. If so, 25 million to 40 million more civilians should be added to the WWI death toll.

See for example the breakdown of US deaths in various wars on this page : http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html. Which gives battle deaths of 53,000 and non-battle of 63,000. These figures are ultimately sourced from the US Department of Defence.

We need to be consistent between all the countries. Does anyone know where these figures orignally came from? Lisiate 05:27, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The article says it includes Spanish flu deaths but there is no way that it includes all of them. That epidemic killed 50-100 million people. Even the lowest (impossibly low) estimate was 21 million dead. It is clear that some victims of this disease might be included, but certainly not all. MichaelSH 02:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian Casualties

I don't think the Canadian casualties are accurate. 172,905 is the number of Army wounded (stat from the Canadian Army Official History, which would mean that there were no one was wounded in the Navy or Air Force. 08:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• Before I answer, please note: I am NOT an expert on this. I have just been working on the general layout, i.e. creating tables and piecharts, and double-checking some of the numbers. I have added a note for Canada which describes the issue you mention. Btw, thanks for noticing this. If you could research this issue yourself, it would be good. My regards, Dennis Nilsson. Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 10:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

From Canadian Veterans Affairs:

"For a nation of eight million people Canada's war effort was remarkable. A total of 619,636 men and women served in the Canadian forces in the First World War, and of these 66,655 gave their lives and another 172,950 were wounded. Nearly one of every ten Canadians who fought in the war did not return."

So it includes all services, except merchant marine.

• Ok, then I reckon it's proper to remove the footnote I added, so I do that. Regards, --Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 01:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New values, tables, and piecharts

Hi! I've spent the entire night making new tables and piecharts (with percentage showing). There are no major changes in the values (except of some additional countries and an error corrected - Montenegro Deaths), but now the table has subtotals and totals, as well as footnotes. Hope you think it's better! My regards, Dennis Nilsson. Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 08:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

What are the sources of those civilian losses? Can you back up those numbers?--Berndd11222 00:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Barney. I didn't enter the numbers, and I personally can't back them up, but the numbers are apparently from WWI casualties - which in turn has used the source: Tucker, Spencer C. The European Powers in the First World War: An Encyclopedia, Garland Publishing, New York, 1996. My regards, Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 14:34, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Most of the civilian deaths were flu or famine related. That should be clear to the readers. --Berndd11222 14:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• Oh yes, that is true. I will add info on it now. Regards, Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 15:11, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Done. Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 15:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm taking a course on History of War right now, and a lot of these numbers don't match with what my professor (good prof, world renouned,etc.) has given us. One of many factors contributing to +/- figures is that 25% of all World War 1 deaed were recorded as MIA. This means that those people were not counted as dead, as their bodies were either lost in the mud or blown to bits (70% of all deaths were from artillery bombardment). (Hey, some historians, anthropologists, etc. are still digging up some of the farms for bones... lol.) ~s.p.

[edit] Major update

Hi wikipedians! I have made a major update - the main thing is that the civilian numbers are now incorporated into the table. This makes it easier for overviewing, checking etc. (no new values, just some error-fixing - e.g. someone had changed Russias dead from 1,700,000 to 1,300,000 without sourcing it). Furthermore I have attempted to introduce better sourcing (see World War I casualties#Table sources). I have also added a section called World War I casualties#Debated numbers in order to shed light on why numbers differ.

I have also added this note in the intro:

Please do not change any casualty numbers until it has been suggested/discussed on the talk page. Sources should also be stated.

Hopefully this will yield better sourcing and discussions in the future.

My regards, Dennis Nilsson. Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 14:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

• The Piecharts are updated as well. Clear cache, hit refresh. Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 15:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Serbian Losses

The losses for Serbia may be for entire territory of postwar Yougoslavia. In 1914 the population of Serbia was 4.5 Million. After the war they picked up Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Montenegro and a few enclaves from Bulgaria that had a prewar population of about 8.4 million. Yugoslav historians claimed losses in WW1 of 1 million. Our "Serbian" numbers may include losses in Austria-Hungary. We need to check these numbers. --Berndd11222 18:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

It is obvious nobody checked it out. I suggest putting numbers from the source mentioned below the table (Everett), which are as follows:

Nation Mobilized Dead Wounded Missing/POW

Serbia 707.343 45.000 133.148 152.958

For civilian casualities, estimations are from 450.000 - 650.000, depending on resource. As I don't have clue does it include ex. Austria-Hungary countries, I would leave it as it is for now.--€ro 15:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Done!--€ro 10:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The correct figure is 1,300,000 deaths total, but note that this includes all volunteers (Serbs deserted from the Monarchy, there were many of those). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.91.1.41 (talk) 20:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

I am from Missouri show me--Woogie10w 21:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The Serbian losses listed on the main page are based on the analysis of Serbia’s population during the war ,La mortalité causée par la guerre mondiale, Metron- The International Review of Statistics, 1927, Vol 7.
The data listed on pages 73 and74 summarizes Serbia’s losses 1914-20 based on the analysis of census data.

The total population deficit was 1,187,000 broken out as follows:

Loss in 1913 Balkan War- 150,000
Loss in World War One-701,000
Decrease in births-336,000

Serbian WW 1 losses were 463,000 man and 238,00 women. Estimated military losses were 300,000 of the 700,000 men mobilized. The World War One Casualties page does not include losses in the Balkan Wars or hypothetical losses due to a decrease in the number of births. The losses of Serbia do not include losses in Croatia , Slovenia and Bosnia already included with Austria-Hungary . This is why Serbia lost about 700,000 in the war not 1,300,000.--Woogie10w 11:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Avoiding self-reference

I've altered the public-facing text of this article to remove the references to the Wikipedia, the article's talk page and to our internal processes. Wikipedia:Avoid self-references requires that editors avoid doing so as this limits use for people using our content.

Instead, I have changed the warnings into hidden comments in the page. These warnings are now positioned next to every casualty figure and are visible to all editors when they click the "edit this page" link.

Therefore, everyone should note that changing these figures will be considered vandalism unless the change is discussed here and a source is provided for the new figure. If you can't provide a source, you shouldn't change the figure. If you change the figure without knowing a source for it, no matter how convinced you are that you're right, you can expect to receive a Vandalism Warning on your talk page from someone.

If anyone has any questions on this, or would like any advice, please contact me on my talk page. Cheers! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 21:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Entente Powers

The Entente Powers were Russia, France, and the United Kingdom. Do not refer to members of the allied powers as part of the Entente Powers.

• I've fixed it. --Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 04:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

You are right. There is a tradition in history books (at least, in italian history books) to refer to the alliance as the entente; probably some contributors are used to that tradition. Please sign your comments. gala.martin (what?) 04:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Formatting

I have no idea if we are consistent about including flu deaths, but I do know that the pie chart images overlapping the death table can't be a good thing! Someone needs to fix this! Help me, please! Emily ^{(Funtrivia Freak)} 02:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand, it isn't like that on my screen. What browser do you use? What if you maximize the window? --Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 04:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just tried Firefox and Internet_Explorer, and they show a perfectly formatted page. If needed, tomorrow (actually, in a few hours :) ) I can use a real computer (instead of this box running Windows), and I can try a few other browsers. gala.martin (what?) 04:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

It shows as overlapping in Firefox if the page isn't maximized and zoomed out(hit ctrl and - at the same time a couple of times to zoom out, ctrl and + to zoom in). However, if the page is maximized and zoomed out until the formatting isn't an issue, the print is fairly small and hard to see (at least on my screen). Jon

[edit] Missing soldiers

Beyond known casualties, many soldiers were missing after the war. The number of missing men exceeded the number of deaths. I thing we should cite this numbers on this page. For sure, the bulk of men missing, died during the battles. A negligible percentage came back years later or went to live in other countries (notably, the grandfather of a friend of mine came back to Italy from France about 50 years after the war :-)) ). gala.martin (what?) 17:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Please, by all means, be bold and contribute!. But remember, we need figures with a source that can be checked. Regards, --Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 04:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

This link (already in the external links section) provides some references. I think that those numbers are quite reliable. I did not edit yet, since I could do a mess with the page format: there is not much room left on the page (horizzontally speaking). gala.martin (what?) 04:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I need some help with this. If I add a missing column, some conflicts occur. The number I add in the country list takes the place of the wounded number, the missing column still beeing empty. Thank you. gala.martin (what?) 19:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

The following is a breakdown of casualties that lists missing
British Empire -Total Dead 913,000 including 158,000 missing. UK Official data
France Total Dead -1,397,800 including 258,000 mising. From Michel Huber's La Population de La France
Russia- Total Dead 1,811,000 which includes 1.2 million dead + missing. This is an estimate of the Russian author Boris Urlanis. Russian casualties are estimates
Germany Total war dead 2,036,897 including 100,000 missing according to the official 1934 report
Austria-Hungary- 905,000 dead plus`181,000 missing at the end of 1919 from data published by Austrian gov
I have data on the smaller nations if you guys need it--Woogie10w 21:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The US numbers don't add down-Please Correct

The numbers for US total war dead add down to 115,660 not 126,000. This needs to be fixed--Woogie10w 11:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to be clear, Woogie seems to be referring to the numbers from the footnote and the fact that 35560+14720+57460+7920=115,660 and not 126,000. I was going to change it, but I'm not sure what the etiquette is for fixing someone else's work (and perhaps the footnote is that part that was wrong and not the 126,000 number). Jon

[edit] Ottoman Empire

How in the world did the Ottoman Empire lose so many civilians? According to the figures, the Empire lost more civilians than Russia. Is it because the civilian figures include civil turmoil, ethnic cleansing and other atrocities?--Secret Agent Man 22:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure but it does appear that this figure includes killings in the Armenian genocide. No doubt the general chaos that attended the Dissolution of the Ottoman Empire also contributed to the high civilian casualties. Lisiate 22:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PLEASE FIX US CASUALTIES--THE MISTAKE MAKES THE WHOLE PAGE LOOK BAD

HERE IS THE LINK TO OFFICIAL US LOSSES IN WW1[1] , THE ERROR ON THIS PAGE HAS BEEN HERE FOR MONTHS AND NEEDS TO BE FIXEDWoogie10w 20:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duh numbers don't add-

The numbers in the allied section do not foot. The whole schedule lacks credibility because of this mistake.Woogie10w 23:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just wonderin'....

How come so many civilians for the Ottoman Empire died. Is the Armenien Genocide counted in that number or something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CaptainP (talk • contribs) 23:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

The number undoubtedly includes Armenian genocide victims. The folks who prepared this page just copied numbers that they did not understand and cannot explain. The numbers here need to be backed up with a detailed explanation of their composition. --Woogie10w 23:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What needs to be done on this page

What needs to be done on this page is to post the data only from official governmemt sources for casualties with a breakout of their components. For example the UK forces lost X number of men. In the footnote give a breakdown of killed in action, missing after the war and declared dead, died of wounds, POW deaths and died of disease. List the primary source used with a proper reference so that others can verify the data.--Woogie10w 00:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why I made the changes

Recently I posted comments to this page pointing out that the data presented here should have official sources to back up the numbers . The military losses needed to be broken out listing killed or missing in action /died of wounds and deaths due to disease and accidents. The numbers on the page did not foot. In the case of the US the losses listed of 126,000 did not agree to the footnote. The page was neglected and in pathetic state. I did not get a single reply to my comments. The page was in dire need of attention
The data presented here is from official sources, there is a breakout listing combat and non-combat losses. The sources for the changes are listed.--Woogie10w 20:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian war dead- Official sources are in conflict

The 1922 official UK report lists Canadian 56,639 war dead
The Canadian War Museum Lists " over 60,000 war dead.[2]
The CWGC currently lists the names of 64,944 Canadian war dead on line[3]

I believe the current figures of the CWGC should be posted to replace the data of the 1922 report since it reflects the research of the past 80 years to identify 1914-18 war dead.--Woogie10w 17:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

That works for me, the current figures are probably more accurate. Carom 17:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Australian War Dead- Official Sources are in conflict

The 1922 official UK report lists Australian 59,330 war dead
The Australian War Memorial Lists 61,720 war dead.[4]
The CWGC currently lists the names of 61,928 Australian war dead on line[5]

I believe the current figures of the CWGC should be posted to replace the data of the 1922 report since it reflects the research of the past 80 years to identify 1914-18 war dead.--Woogie10w 17:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This works for me as well. Carom 17:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand War Dead- Official sources are in conflict

The 1922 official UK report lists 16,711 New Zeland war dead
The New Zeland War Memorial Project lists 18,038 war dead.[6]
The CWGC currently lists the names of 18,050 New Zealan war dead on line[7]

I believe the current figures of the CWGC should be posted to replace the data of the 1922 report since it reflects the research of the past 80 years to identify 1914-18 war dead.--Woogie10w 17:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This also looks good. Please, if you have CWGC numbers put them in the article and add a citation. Carom 17:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] South African War Dead- Official Sources are in conflict

The 1922 official UK report lists 7,121 South Africa war dead
The CWGC currently lists the names of 9,463 South Africa war dead on line[8]

I believe the current figures of the CWGC should be posted to replace the data of the 1922 report since it reflects the research of the past 80 years to identify 1914-18 war dead.--Woogie10w 17:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indian War Dead-Official Sources are in conflict

The 1922 official UK report lists 64,449 Indian war dead
The CWGC currently lists the names of 74,187 Indian war dead on line[9]

I believe the current figures of the CWGC should be posted to replace the data of the 1922 report since it reflects the research of the past 80 years to identify 1914-18 war dead.--Woogie10w 17:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK & Colonies- Official sources are in conflict

The 1922 official UK report lists 702,917 UK war dead plus an additionl 1,204 from Newfoundland
The CWGC currently lists the names of 886,342 war dead from UK and Colonies on line[10]

I believe the current figures of the CWGC should be posted to replace the data of the 1922 report since it reflects the research of the past 80 years to identify 1914-18 war dead.--Woogie10w 17:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK-Commonwealth Civilian Casualties

The CWGC lists the names of 15,632 Merchant Navy personnel and 460 civilians who were killed in WW I. This can be verified at the CWGC website ‘’Debt of Honour Register’’
[11]
The figure of 30,000 civilian deaths seems to me to be an estimate that cannot be supported by official documentary evidence. Can anyone provide support that 14,000 additional UK citizens were killed by U-Boats in 1914-18?--Woogie10w 21:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK Civilian Casualties due to U Boat attacks

An accurate and verifiable primary source is needed that lists the total UK civilian losses due to U Boat attacks--Woogie10w 01:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ottoman Muslim casualties of World War I

There's an AfD for that article, please express your opinion. NikoSilver 16:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not believe the article should be deleted but cleaned up. There were huge losses in the Ottoman Empire during WW1. The article is biased because it ignores the massacresof Armenians and other Christians that ended in 1923. The Allied blockade caused food shortages and famine plus the Spanish Flu caused additional losses. The numbers of dead are difficult to determine and are a topic of intense debate. What is need is a person who is familiar with the literature on this topic to step in and clean it up and eliminate the one sided POV that deals only with Muslim losses. The section on military casualties was relevant to the WW1 Casualties article so I included the link.--Woogie10w 17:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly; thank you. So you mean rename I guess. NikoSilver 17:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Rename and cleanup to eliminate the one sided POV dealing with losses by one ethnic group. --Woogie10w 17:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nikos, the Muslims also suffered, and were subject to many migrations for reasons that didn't have to do with the migrations of others. Why are you insisting that they cannot have a seperate article? You are more than welcome to create another Ottoman casualties during World War I or restructure this article so that it focuses better on this particular Millet. But it is also not fair to say that the losses or casualties of the Turks/Kurds are not important enough to be mentioned in another article. I said this in the last AfD, the ethnic-strife touched upon every Millet, and no-one is perfectly clean - you cannot seriously say that Ottoman Muslims were never ever subject to massacres etc, nor that their losses didn't affect the region in the aftermath of the War.. There is no harm to discussing the losses of other millets. Just assume good faith and keep an eye for POV in that article and that will be good enough. Anyways... Baristarim 16:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody have a reliable source on the numbers of WW One dead in the Ottoman Empire broken down by ethnic group? I mean reliable, a source that can be verified.--Woogie10w 17:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

One point to Woogie10w: The empire, even its last day of its existence did not get the idea of "ethnic group" as you are using. They had their own "world view" and responded/acted using their world view. PS: I do not support this: "but some people (including British intelligence of its time) used the word (Turk = Muslim millet). In a way this article is the casualties of Ottoman Empire if you look from their world view." Ottoman Armenian statistics originate not because they were looking for ethnic group but it was a "Armenian millet, patriarch statistics", as explained in the millet concept. Thanks for your considerations.--OttomanReference 18:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I am from Missouri show me! Are there reliable statistics that we can verify?--Woogie10w 18:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Woogie10w (talk • contribs) 18:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

I do not understand what U are asking for, it is not clear. If you use the appropriate terminology, the clarity would improve drastically. If you want total western source on population statistics, which covers how the population is analyzed by the Ottoman Empire and not biased on war issues; check the article "A Note on Some Nineteenth-Century Population Statistics for Lebanon." It takes a lot of work on the individual to shift centuries and civilizations. It gets harder if ones world view originates from western civilization. --OttomanReference 18:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I am from Missouri, show me a reliable source with verifiable statistics on population losses in the Ottoman Empire from 1914-1918.--Woogie10w 19:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• • • • • Erik Jan ZÜRCHER, Between death and desertion. The experience of the ottoman soldier in World War I --OttomanReference 21:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
        • The famine of 1915-1918 in greater Syria,” in John Spangnolo, ed., Problems of the Modern Middle East in Historical Perspectives (Reading, 1992) --OttomanReference 21:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Nur Bilge CRISS, "Istanbul under Allied Occupation 1918–1923", 1999 Brill Academic Publishers, ISBN 9004112596 --OttomanReference 21:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Ordered to Die: A History of the Ottoman Army in the First World War By Huseyin (FRW) Kivrikoglu, Edward J. Erickson --OttomanReference 21:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I will post some material from Erikson's book that I hope will satisfy everyone while I am chilling to the beat of XM 82--Woogie10w 23:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ottoman empire civilian losts is under represented.

Where does the current number originate? It seems, it is under represented. OttomanReference 03:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

What we need is an analysis that explains the loss, not just a statistic that we are forced to accept on blind faith.--Woogie10w 03:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

TURKEY POPULATION BALANCE 1914-18
Beginning Population Jan 1, 1914
Add:Births 1914-18
Add:Population transfers In(immigration)
Less:Natural(Normal-pre war level) Deaths 1914-18
Less:Population transfers out(emmigration)
Less:War Deaths/Military & civilian( including famine & flu)
Ending Population Dec 31, 1918

Does anyone know of a source with this data?--Woogie10w 03:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Please share with us your source for Ottoman losses in WW1. The statistic of 2.1 million on the WW1 page has no supporting analysis. It is a statistic from a secondary source( Grey- Chronology of WW1 Vol 2, P 292) that lacks solid documentation. If you know of a Turkish demographic study of 1914-18 please let us know --Woogie10w 03:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

What about the current data in the table? Why is it represented as a correct value? --OttomanReference 03:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It was published by Facts on File, thats why. I have a Russian source Vadim Erlikman with civilian losses of over 3 million, it is an estimate. What about Turkish sources, what do they say? I want to see the correct figure that is supported by analysis--Woogie10w 04:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

5 million from James L.Gelvin is more reliable; I can say it is recent.OttomanReference 05:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts, greatly appreciated; Until a better reference is found, it seems there is no solution to this problem. OttomanReference 10:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Czechoslovak Legions

Are figures for the Czechoslovak Legions included here, possibly under Russia and France? Just curious. Grant | Talk 16:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Total personnel for Allied powers

I have borrowed information from the Allied Powers table for a table of personnel at Allies of World War I. We need accurate figures and citations for total personnel under each state there if anyone can help, thanks. Grant | Talk 16:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Let me check the WW1 Databook by Ells when I get home tonite--Woogie10w 16:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

There is an often quoted 8.9 million total personnel for the British Empire, I cannot find a source breaking out this statistic for each nation. --Woogie10w 17:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It shouldn't be hard to find figures/cites for the Dominions and Indian Empire. Like you, I'm inclined to include Crown colonies in UK figures. Grant | Talk 01:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I have yet to find the detail of the often quoted statistic of 8,904,467 total mobilized for the British Empire, it is not in the 1922 War office report. Do you know of a source that details this statistic? --Woogie10w 02:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)<

No, I don't. worldwar1.com has that figure,[12] and cites The Two World Wars, Vol I - World War I by Susan Everett (1980), which may give a source I guess.

Our problem is we need the detail for the that ties out to 8.904.467 The 1922 war Office report has the detail but it is 318,000 less that figure of 8.904 million. My guess is that it is the RN. We could take the total of 8.9 million and back into the UK number since we have the numbers for the dominions & colonies but that borders on original research which is forbidden here. We need to find the source of the 8.904 million--Woogie10w 03:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)