Talk:Yarsan

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I have to say that Yezidism and Ahl-i-Haqq are different. One is definetely un-islamic, the other one is not

Yezidism and Ahl-i Haq are different, as Ahl-i Haq is a branch of Yaresanism. Both are also un-islamic and they are both sprung from the Yazdani religion(note the difference between YAZDANISM and YEZIDISM, as YEZIDISM is a branch of YAZDANISM).

[edit] Contradiction

There are similarities between Ahl-e-Haqq and the (Turkish-Kurdish) Alevis, though how closely these similarities point to evidence of a joint origin remains in dispute. Others see a similarity to the Yezidis, though much of this debate must remain speculation, as all these groups have few published writings and favour secretive religious practices.

Earlier in the article it is stated as fact that the order is derived from the Yezidi religion, yet this paragraph contradicts that sentence. SouthernComfort 01:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not a contradiction since Yaresanism, Alevism an Yezidism share the common roots to the ancient Yazdani religion, also known as the Cult of Angels, who fragmented to these three branches.

[edit] Meaning of Ahl-i Haq

Ahl-i Haq means "people of the spirit", the spirit being the highest power, keeping the balance between good and evil, darkness and light.

The term Ahl-i Haqq, is a misinterpretation of the word Haq or Hakk, and is not derived from the arabic word Haqq, meaning truth.

Also Ahl-i Haq is only (originally) the name of a branch of Yaresanism. This is described best in the External link on the article page: "Information to Yarsanism" Click forward on "Cult of Angels" then "Yaresanism"

[edit] Cleanup

Article needs to disambiguate between Yarsan (Kurds) and Ahl-e-Haqq (Lurs, Laks) and clarify the relationship. SouthernComfort 05:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The religion has followers both among Kurds and Lurs. The third incarnation of Divinity was Shah Khoshin in Luristan and the fourth one was Soltan Sohak in Hawraman.Heja Helweda 06:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but the article is written in a confusing manner, making it seem like Yarsan and Ahl-e-Haqq are different faiths. Are there any distinctions between the sect of the Kurds and that of the Lurs/Laks? SouthernComfort 06:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The sources do not differentiate between them. "Yarsan" is just the local name for the religion, while the outsiders call them "Ahl-e Haqq" or "Ali ullahi".Heja Helweda 06:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

So "Yarsan" is also used by non-Kurdish adherents? SouthernComfort 06:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know Laks are a branch of Kurds [1]. It may be used among small groups of Lurs which are not Kurdish [2].Heja Helweda 23:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Complete confusion here. I will try to summarize: First theory states that Yarsan and Ahl-e-Haqq two different but first, Yarsan competely non-islamic, Ahl-e-Haqq is syncretic borrowing elements from heterodox Alevi Shia Second theory states that Yarsan and Ahl-e-Haqq are the same faith under different nmes following similar practices abdulnr 01:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

As I said the article is a complete confusion - Yazdism, Ahli-E-Haqq and Alevis are all grouped into one thing. We should clearly separate it abdulnr 01:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Yarsan and Ahl-i-Haqq are two branches of Yarsanism. Ahl-i-Haqq has officialy identified them selves more and more with shia-islam, this however is due to persecution by muslim neighbors and the iranian government, however it's like a front or cover to be able to practise Yarsanism without persecution, but they are still non-islamic.

Yazidism, Ahl-i-Haqq(Yarsanism) and Alevism are grouped due to their common relations and ancestor Yazdanism (note Yazdanism not Yazidism). Before the fragmentation the the faiths were one, Yazdanism. Yazdanism is also used as a academic term for the three faiths.

Could you provide a reference for this statement. Ahl-e-haqq recognizes Imam Ali as God - this is quite a big difference to me - between them and Yazdanism that has not recognized him as such. Do not add Alevism here, it is purely Islam-derived sect. abdulnr 02:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Se for example Izady, 1992. As for the difference between Ahl-i Haqq and Yazdanism, i belive thet you are reffering to Yezidism(not YAZDANism). YAZDANism(or the cult of angels)is a name for the thee religions of Yarsanism, Yezidism and Alevism. YAZDANism is also the name of the original religion before it was fragmented into the three religions metioned above.

As for the case of Alevism being an islam-derived sect. Alevism is not an islamic sect but a religion sprung from the original YAZDANism and related to Yarsanism and Yezidism. Alevism is however seen from outsiders as an islamic sect. This is however the same case as we have with Yarsanism. Yarsanism has only been seen as an islamic or sufi sect by outsiders, or has claimed to be islamic by Yarsans themselves to gain protection against muslim harrasment. However neither Yarsans or the (kurdish)muslim neighbors regard Yarsans as anything but a different religion, only outsiders do. This is also the case with the Alevis.