Talk:Pharyngealization

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I believe that pharyngealization is a better name for the article than pharyngealisation. I am British and I do not believe this to be an Americanisation. There is an almost forgotten tradition that words with Greek etymologies use the -ize ending, and Latin roots use the -ise ending. As Standard US English and this tradition agree, I believe that this article should be moved. Any objections? Gareth Hughes 23:02, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm just wondering what the basis of that tradition is. My dictionary (of Australian English, granted, but English nonetheless) lists the two forms as equal in acceptability. thefamouseccles 03:43, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Commonwealth English has a general preferrence for -ise. Thus, the fact that the Australian dictionary in question lists both spellings as of equal validity suggests that -ize has a real basis in linguistic tradition. Gareth Hughes 10:39, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, in American English. :) Going back to my Greek grammar, though, it seems that -izô with zeta, rather than sigma, is more often correct for words like this in terms of Greek. That being said, English isn't Greek... I'd argue that in modern English the two suffixes have combined to make a generic case. We do have a redirect to the page from pharyngealization; if you want to move it, go ahead, but IMHO both variations are common enough in English usage that the decision which one should be the main article is probably moot. thefamouseccles 22:55, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Danish stød

I am not a linguist, but I wonder what the relation is between pharyngealization and the Danish stød, which is said to be "laryngealization". I believe those things should be the same; at least there ought to be a link between them pointing out the difference. Apus 07:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

There are some definite differences. Firstly, stød is a prosodic feature, not a consonantal one. Secondly, and more importantly, the pharynx and the larynx are two different points of articulation in linguistics. Compare pharyngeal consonant with laryngeal consonant (the latter being a common synonym for glottal consonant). Stød is articulated with the glottal folds only (manifesting as creaky voice or as full-blown glottal stop), not with any part of the pharynx, so "pharyngealisation" has no relevance to any discussion of stød, nor vice versa. Thefamouseccles 23:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)