Talk:Alexander Karelin
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[edit] Please clarify
For someone who knows nothing about wrestling the following is unclear:
- Karelin was able to lift the opponent from around his waist and throw him all the way over the opponent's shoulders
I can't tell from the photo whether this means he is going to flip the opponent over in a somersault or toss the opponent back over his own head. CalJW 09:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
He has him in a headlock. He's going to turn around as he falls and land on him.
[edit] Spelling of name
Before we run around in more circles, Lakes, do you have a reference for Alexandr being his birth name? I saw that spelling once on his website, but most of the time it does use Alexander. The one he uses most often on his website is what we should go with for the spelling of his name in Latin characters, unless there is specific evidence indicating otherwise. Obviously you could transliterate his name in different ways, but again, the one he uses most often is probably the best. - Taxman Talk 22:15, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Since the best source available (his own website) spells his name Alexander, I'm changing it back until there's a reliable source otherwise. I would also note a google search [1] for "Alexander Karelin" returns 34,000 hits, whereas a search for "Alexandr Karelin" [2] returns only 372. Tufflaw 02:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Look. His official birth name is: Александр Александрович Карелин, which is also listed on his website. His first name directly translates to Alexandr not Alexander. Alexander is more of a stage name, and of course that is what he uses since ..dr feels more like a typo for English speaking people. However this is Wikipedia, and his real name should be mentioned, with the note that he uses the name "Alexander Karelin" outside Russia(n). The article is still named Alexander Karelin, as it should be.
- ↪Lakes (Talk) 06:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Political stature?
The article on the United Russia party seemed to indicate Karelin is an important political figure. But this article barely mentions his political career. What's his status in Russian politics? MK2 06:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The 2000 loss to Rulon Gardner
It should perhaps be mentioned that he only lost to Rulon Gardner because of the outlandish rules that were valid at the time. As far as I remember it, the game extended into an overtime, after which there still was no winner, so there was a grotesque "decider": a drawing decided who would defend and who would have to attack. Karelin, drawn as the one who was to attack, could not break Gardner's defence and lost. It is not difficult to imagine what would have happened had been the other way round: in all probability Gardner wouldn't have succeeded as the "attacker" either; especially given Karelin's superior strength and abilities, as to which there was no controversy. It may be too rash to say Karelin was robbed of his gold, but the assymmetry in the rules was indeed unfortunate and distressing. Ariosto 14:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- To be honest it sounds a bit like sour grapes and potentially an NPOV issue. This should be backed up by a reliable source before it goes in. Ronnotel 16:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- If he had scored earlier, it wouldn't have been an issue. Athletes tend to accept that more readily than fans. - Taxman Talk 16:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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- It does; it should; and it wouldn't (and they do). I don't question any of these points. But I'm not a big fan, I just think that - if I remember the whole thing correctly - the question of rules deserves a mention. If someone could verify this and just add a one-sentence comment on this, it would be nice. That's all. Ariosto 01:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unique Medal Accomplishment
I believe Karelin is the only person to win Olympic gold, or even Olympic medals, for the USSR, the Unified Team, and Russia. I would like to include this to emphasize his tremendous career. If anyone knows otherwise, please post. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.212.96.45 (talk) 08:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC).
