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[edit] Christain Rock?
Can someone confirm that they actually are a Christian rock band? splintax (talk) 00:00, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, they get heavy play on Christian radio stations, and they're signed to distinctly Christian Tooth and Nail Records. Their lyrics, while not as explicitly religious as many bands, are definitely Christian-themed. Kertrats 05:15, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
== Christian Rock? == and so cool
Just because they are signed to a christian label and are Christian's doesn't mean their genre is Christian Rock. Calling them Christian Rock says nothing about their music style. I read all of the lyrics from their second album and only found one God reference, Black Sabbath make more references but they aren't Christian Metal. What makes this band Christian Rock? In my opinion nothing. This band sings about reltionships and so should be considered some form of emo music rather than some form of christian music.
- Much as I despised this argument when it was used against me in my argument to remove Creed from the Christian rock category, the term has been defined at Wikipedia as "a perceived connection to what [self-identified fans of CCM] regard as Christianity". This band is played consistently on Christian radio stations, tours with Christian artists, has Christian lyrics (most notably on the second album the entire song "Paperthin Hymn", I don't know how you managed to miss that in your search). Emo and Christian rock are not mutually exclusive categories; many emo bands are also christian rock bands, Anberlin included. There is absolutely no doubt that Anberlin falls into the loose (in my opinion, overly so, but even by a stricter definition, such as the band saying so themselves, which I think would be a much more logical minimum boundary) restraints we currently have on the definition. Kertrats | Talk 22:46, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Christian Rock argument...
I'm new here, so still have no idea how to use the boards or reply to the correct thread. I was the annonomous poster and now I'm replying. My problem isn't with this band being classed as a christian band the problem is more that there are other 'genre' labels that better fit this band. I'm sure they are happy to classify themselves as christian rock and get played on christian radio but the fact is if they weren't christians then they wouldn't simply be classifed as 'rock' but as 'melodic emo' or something to that effect. The same situation applies to the 'christian metal' band 'still remains'. Sure they are christian and metal but the fact is that says nothing about their music. I think in situations where bands are classified as christian as a genre it would be better to give them more than one genre. They belong in the christian genre because they're christian and belong in other genres because their music sounds that way. It's not a massive problem but if you asked a person to put each song into a genre then christian rock would certenly not be the most common.
You're right. There should have been a more specific label than "Christian Rock" there. I went with your melodic emo, but if somebody who knows more about the band's musical style then me has a better label for it go to it. STAREYe 02:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
The First Album contains alot more references to God such as in the song Cadence where the chorus to the song is
The closer I am to finding God
You're a miracle to me
The closer I come to you
the closer I am to finding God
Also again with another verse relating to St. Paul and Joan of Arc Newedge14 5:09, November 27 2006
Because saying the word "god" means you're religious. That means that any person who's ever screamed, "Oh my God!" at something is a devout Christian ready to be crucified. The Joan of Arc and St. Paul arguments are just as shallow. I can point out perhaps dozens of bands in the last 30 years that would never be pegged as a Christian Rock band, but have made numerous references to God, the bibles, and various other commonly religion affiliated items. --IndigoAK200 08:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The thing that truly makes them a religious band other than songs that relate to God. Is the fact that they are all Christian, and that they all have stated that Anberlin is a Christian Rock band. Of course I wouldn't be able to cite this because it has been said in concerts. The whole references to God by other bands, yes every band can make references to God, its when they actually preach about God, or worship him in song does the band become Christian. The reference to Oh My God is extremely un-Christian as a true Christian band would never use the lords name in vain, in fact that is seen as a form of Anti-Christianity. -- Anonymous 8:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, they have said it at concerts, however, being Wikipedia, and people being people, there's no real way to state it, and interviewers seemingly don't ask, as if they already know Anberlin is a Christian band, in common sense.IronCrow 00:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Anberlin fits in the Christian Rock genre. I think some people have been denying this as a fact because they don't want to believe that one of their favorite bands is considered "Christian", a term that can turn some people off. But it makes more sense to say that they are Christian rather than they aren't; they play at Christian concerts, their lyrics reflect a Christian way of thinking, their music is sold in Christian stores, you get the picture. Anberlin, unlike Switchfoot, has not officially proclaimed the band to be secular, either. They may be Christian rock, but that doesn't make them any less of band. Really, in my opinion, the term "Christian" shouldn't really be a genre of music at all, and the segregation is a bit disappointing, but since the genre exists anyway (there is a Wikipedia article on it), we might as well place Anberlin in that catagory. This is not to say that Anberlin does not fit in any other genre (alternative rock is still feasible), but Christian rock is a legit entry to their list of genres. You may not agree with Christianity, but I'm sorry, but I can't change Anberlin's faith. To be frank, they are Christian whether you approve of it or not. (Also, this is a great discussion!) Liscobeck 04:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] evanescence?
could there be something linking these two worth noting, and Creed i guess? like, maybe the old christian rock sound should be called christian folk, because it's usually very folk music. but that's original research. i dunno, whatever i guess.
[edit] SxSW - Paperthin Hymn
Is it worth a mention that an MP3 of Paperthin Hymn is included in the torrent of music from South by South West? Peteresch 23:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
This article needs citations. Like this statement "The album was praised by critics" Benbenbenben 05:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bob Dylan cover
If you enjoy Bob Dylan, do yourself a very big favor and don't listen to their cover of Like a Rolling Stone. I don't think a group could have perverted it more if they wanted to, imho. jordan 19:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Conservative Punk
they were - at one time - included on the conservative punk band list but they disappeared from the list about four weeks later... does anyone know anything certain about the reasons? 193.171.131.241 15:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] BlueprintsForTheBlackMarket w/ spaces?
Isn't the actual technical name BlueprintsForTheBlackMarket not Blueprints For The Black Market? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vertgforces (talk • contribs).
The title with the spaces seems to be more correct. They spell it that way everywhere else. It was probably just like that to look different, but no other reason. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Liscobeck (talk • contribs).
[edit] YouTube links
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 04:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Source of name
I'm removing these two conflicting sections for the source of their name, because I can't find a reference for either:
Lead singer Stephen Christian stated in an interview that the band's name "anberlin" was created when he was thinking about cities in Europe he wanted to visit. In his mind he listed "London, Paris, Rome, and Berlin". Stephen thought that "And Berlin" would be a cool name for a band and so when the band was looking for a name Stephen suggested "And Berlin", which was then modified to "anberlin".
The name "Anberlin" stems from the lead singer Stephen Christian (his last name is not really Christian) reading the book 'I Sat Down By the River Padre and Wept. The girl in the story was named Anberlin.
Jpers36 21:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
"http://www.answers.com/topic/anberlin" says, "Lead singer Stephen Christian stated in an interview that the band's name 'anberlin' was created when he was thinking about cities in Europe he wanted to visit. In his mind he listed 'London, Paris, Rome, and Berlin'. Stephen thought that 'And Berlin' would be a cool name for a band and so when the band was looking for a name Stephen suggested 'And Berlin', which was then modified to 'anberlin'."
I read that on a few pages (search:"'And Berlin' Anberlin" on a search engine.)
I had never heard the one about his daughter. That was new. Someone should research this and figure it out.
24.20.66.65 03:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)Peter Kagey
- To Peter Kagey, Answer.com is a mirror of Wikipedia, the whole article on the band is straight from the wikipedia article, as some sites around the net do this. To Jpers36, I have seen both of those two, I believe the first one to be more accurate but not sure. --DJREJECTED 16:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Strayer
I've quoted from AP.net about his departure. If anyone can add/correct anything please do so, and change the picture as well.
- Picture changed. Liscobeck 22:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nu Emo?
I rad a lot of Alternative Press and they mentioned thi band sounding a lot like Saosin on their new CD. Frankly after I purchased it, I would have to agree. They are at least Pop-Punk if not than some type of Emo. Gellister 21:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I disagree...definetly Alternative Rock. not Punk, and emo is a lyrical style not a musical style. Anberlin is technically Christian, not emo.
[edit] Band Members
I'm confused about which members are still in Anberlin, which ones have joined, and which have left. Anyone know? Liscobeck 05:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- Strayer, the second guitarist, left right before Cities released; Christian, formerly of Acceptance, has replaced him. All the original members (Stephen, Joey, Deon, and Nate) are still in the band. Roofi's Publicist 19:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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- That's what I thought, but I've heard other mixed reports. Thanks for the clear-up! :) Liscobeck 05:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tour List
Do we really need the entire headlining tour list? I think not so I am going to remove it. Aidepolcycne eerf 22:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Band Name Capitalization
The article title says "anberlin," but everywhere else in the page, it's capitalized as "Anberlin." To date, all of their CDs have had a lowercase 'a', but is this due to stylization or is it how they actually prefer it to be spelled? D3PyroGS 16:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- It is just stylization. The Newsboys are another example of this; their logo usually has a lower-case "n", but everywhere else it is capitalized. Therefore, the article title has been changed to "Anberlin" and not "anberlin." Liscobeck 23:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
