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What is the concensus for spelling on Wikipedia?
The article is Armour but its in the catagory Armor. Which is the best to use? (apparently brits took over and made a LOT of articles use armour instead of armor)
This site was created by americans so should the default spellings be american?
Inconsistency is one of my biggest pet peeves and will just confuse users in the future.
- My opinion (as a Canadian) is that international English should be used. Thus armour, valour, flavour, centre, programme, organisation, etc. Let's all remember that the Americans are the odd ones out as far as spelling goes, because of Mr. Webster.
- An international English has never been agreed upon. Also, this is an American website. But really, the only thing that should be considered is consistency.
- Urhixidur 13:40, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)
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- Looking at the spellings on the category page itself I'd say there seems to be a stronger case for changing that to Category:Armour. adamsan 10:20, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Personal armour
It would be great if someone would describe the different parts of armour. For instance, what are bracers? ··gracefool |☺ 03:48, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I think the correct historic term is vambraces and that word can be found in the wikipedia. Braces seems to be predominant in RPG's. The person to blame is probably Gary Gygax who introduced it in the ancestor of (almost) all RPG's, Dungeons & Dragons. There is another term that is missing and that is werebraces that, if I'm not mistaken, is the armour protecting the legs. The reason I mention this here instead of writing an article is because of the words "think", "seems" and "probably". I haven't researched the subject enough to state it as fact. --Soffkartoffeln 21:30, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Bracers were used in england in some sources as full arm defences, the entire arm assembly in other words. But for the most part you are correct. Rebracer means upper arm defense. Sethwoodworth 10:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Would someone please comment on this article? The Hamilton Spectator - From Bears to Bullets It's about a guy that has invented a full body armor, like a non-powered exoskeleton, supposedly bulletproof. If someone know test results or has any other kind of knowledge of the suit, please write. MigB 15:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Non-Western Armor
It would be useful for this article to include images or descriptions of armor from non-Western societies, such as African warriors, East Asian and Southeast Asian.
- Agreed completely. Sadly my knowledge of such information is lacking. Anyone else?
[edit] A suggestion for spelling
A simple solution is to use armour for any type of historical (let's say pre 1700) as these variants are predominantly of european origin. Modern body armors have been, as far as i know, mainly developed in the US due to the higher availability and use of handguns there (no insult intended). By this reason the spelling should be armor for these.
It's difficult to achive full consensus on spelling as there will always be advocates for any variant that will defend their opinion with religious fervor. But this way, both sides get a share in the action.
I myself would of course like the articles to be in swedish as I seldom manage to keep track of all those, in my eyes, tiny differences between written british, american, irish and australian english. :-)
- The basic rule about British vs. American spelling is that we only change it if the article is inconsistent. Regarding Swedish, there is a Swedish Wikipedia as well even though the article there is not as nice as the one here. [1] Sjakkalle 07:38, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- Wikipedia policy is to maintain the spelling system used by the article creator unless the subject clearly demands a particular national spelling: e.g. U.S. spelling for Abraham Lincoln. Durova 04:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- ... or, arguably, UK/International spelling here, since armour was not much worn in North America. Johnbod 19:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] swimming
well, I would be interested in documentation of swimming knights. It all depends on what you mean by "plate armour", of course. I suppose you could swim wearing just a sallet, and maybe gauntlets, or greaves. But wearing a full suit of armour, especially including a chainmail shirt worn under the plates, is certainly impossible. So we would need to specify how exactly those swimming knights were armed. dab (ᛏ) 19:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
It may or may not be true that Frederick Barbarossa drowned becasue he attempeted to swim while wearing his armour.
[edit] Decline of Full Plate
"Gradually starting in the 1660s, one plate element after another was discarded to save weight" I always assumd that process started long before the 17th century... Should I say early 16th century would be more accurate?
Actually, many cavalry units, as late as the Battle of Vienna in 1683 wore 2/3 suits of armour, no arm protection, with hats and a "secret" skullcap under it. The lower legs were in leather boots,thats what made them 2/3 suits. Until the rifled musket, in the early 1700s, plate could save a heavy Cavalryman's life. Nativeborncal 04:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Modern Armour
Seems most focus of modern armour is on bulletproof vests, shouldn't there be a page for stabproof as well seeing they are important as well especially to police officers.
[edit] Definition of Armour
This may just be personal opinion, but the definition of armour here seems somewhat narrow. The Shorter OED defines armour primarily as 'Defensive covering for the body': Surely some mention should be made of the non-military uses of armour, ie in sports. --KharBevNor 22:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- I suppose the protective gear worn in fencing belongs in this article. A goalie mask, shoulder pads, jock strap, knee pads, shin pads, etc., used in sports like American football or hockey are not the armour that this article is about. They belong in their own articles, or perhaps someone should write "sports padding". See also protective clothing. —Michael Z. 2006-03-06 04:59 Z
[edit] 3D Images
Am I the only one who gets a headache from these 3D images? I suggest moving them to a separate page, creating a gallery on Wikimedia Commons for the tiny percentage of people who have the glasses to view them properly. Durova 00:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- No one objected so I created a new category at Wikimedia Commons and moved the images there. Durova 01:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hoplites
Shouldn't the start go back to the Greeks - moving from bronze to iron and steel was an important step, but also at Marathon and Thermopylae, as I heard it, the bronze armed and armoured hoplite had a huge advantage over the less armoured Persian. Midgley 02:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] UNpowered?
Is it just me, or is this paragraph on UNpowered armour, well, confusing? It's not well written, but I have no idea what this paragraph is talking about, so I couldn't begin to edit it. A citation, or some sort of example of this armour, would be very helpful. I've read it twice and I have no idea what this person is talking about. -anon
Imagine a unpowered suit of armor weighing a ton, HA! Is this a reference to some RPG or sci-fi movie? -drgk In trying to cite sources of the Macenea armour that predates the greco armour it should be noted that it (the armour was on display at the Archaeological Museum of Nafplion as well it found in May 1960 by Nikos Verdelis in the graves in the cemetery at Dendra in the Argolid, the the Central Archaeological Council - Bulgaria(KAS) has decided. the following cites are of its authenticity. http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/002133.html, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news/content.asp?aid=76144 http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146412692 All these are related to the fact that it is in the restoration process and is in fact from the 15th century b.c.e.
[edit] Non-Metalic old armour
I know little of this subject so I can't add much myself, but wouldn't it be a good idea to start with the earliest armours? Like leather armour, or even just thick padded cloth armour. -OOPSIE- 02:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandale copy and pasted page to Armor
On the 20 July the unregistered user 166.127.1.201 copy and pasted the page over to Armor but hashed it up and did not move the talk page aswell. I initially used the WP:RM page but after looking at the page there seemed to be a large back log and as the move was to fix vandalism i moved the page back to Armour. I dunno if we can get an Admin to ban the user or even better to educate hime. TheEnlightened 00:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- You did good :-)
- Just blocked the anon to get his (school IP) attention. Vsmith 01:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Arms Race?
The beginning of the History section describes the development of armour as an arms race. I find this assertion untenable when talking about personal armour. In all instances that I am aware of the type of armour worn is dictated by socio-economic factors and technological factors.
Plate armour is frequently described as a reaction to more powerful weapons such as the couched lance, crossbow, and/or longbow. But none of these weapons were developed just before plate armour. The crossbow and couched lance predate the first plate by centuries. The crossbow had been banned by the Pope nearly a hundred years before the first known piece of plate armour. The longbow existed this early as well but was not extensively used in warfare until Agincourt in the second half of the 14th century. By that time virtually all of the French knights were wearing full plate harness and the weapon still played a significant tactical role.
There is however a connection between the development of water-powered trip hammers and the infrastructure necessary for making and then affording to buy plate armour. This explains why in appeared in between the emergence of the above weapons and not in reaction to them.
Mercutio.Wilder 19:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure you're right. This editor had extremely dodgy style before being copyedited & I'm dubious about it all. Why don't you write it up? Johnbod 19:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
