Talk:Bene Tleilax

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Contents 1 Pronunciation? 2 From WP:VFD 3 Images: copyright and relevance 4 Histories section 5 spellings 6 Confusion between Dune and its influences? 7 New Face Dancers 8 Bijaz as Master 9 Citation?

[edit] Pronunciation?

I've always wondered how you pronounce "Tleilax"

I've always thought the T was silent, making it something like "lay-lax". Is this correct?

Actual pronounciations on audio clips from Frank himself pronounce it "tlay-lax"Tleilax Master B 20:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From WP:VFD

Template:VfD-Bene Tleixiau

[edit] Images: copyright and relevance

What's the copyright status of the images on this page? I assume they all come from Emperor: Battle for Dune.

Assuming that they're legal, I'm also not sure a couple of them are relevant: the ghola image and the face dancer image aren't particularly ghola- or face dancer-like, and I see from clicking on them that they depict, in fact, a Harkonnen infantryman and an Atreides sniper.

Excuse me for not being bold--just not certain enough to delete them without asking first. Iralith 00:02, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

yes, they are confusing... I think they should be on the game article page. Pics doesn't do the novels justice really! Delete them, I think the symbols/logos used for the various races are 21st century creations - by game boffins ... and can get canned or moved to the various relevent computa game articles. -max rspct 00:17, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I will remove those images that do not depict what is described in the paragraph alongside it. I'd be more reluctant in the removal of other images, because it might be interesting for a reader how something described is depicted in films, games, art, etc. Shinobu 14:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Seems sensible, but I'm still worried about the copyright situation with these images. Any insights there? Iralith 23:01, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I quote from Template:Screenshot (I didn't use the actual template because of the cat-link contained within):

This is a screenshot of a copyrighted website, video game graphic, computer program graphic, television broadcast, or film. It is believed that screenshots may be exhibited on Wikipedia under the fair use provision of United States copyright law.

If that is the way of the wiki, so be it. Shinobu 16:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Histories section

Is there a reference to "Xuttuh" in the original books by Frank Herbert, or is this another B.Herbert/K.Anderson creation? I don't have access to my copies of the original books at the moment. (Just to be clear, I'm one of those who doesn't regard anything not by Herbert Sr. as canonical.) RJCraig 04:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall any "xuttuh" in the original six. Justin Johnson 00:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Xuttuh comes from House Atreides. It is not canonical. Chalom 22:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] spellings

In rereading Dune 1, and Messiah, I've noticed several instances of "Bene Tleilaxu" and "axolotl tanks". Are they just typos or what? 219.77.98.22 08:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Tleilaxu = Of Bene Tleilax (you'd be wrong to write it 'Tleilaxian') 80.179.13.34 20:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion between Dune and its influences?

I'm quite worried that this page is actually a mix between what is known in Dune series (Herbert Sr. AND Herbert Jr.) plus what is just made for the games. Wouldn't it be better if the two were split in two, meaning that the Bene Tleilax page would have just data from the books, and a page named "Emperor of Dune: Tleilaxu" would have the game facts, technologies, etc? --Chalom 19:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

At the very least I would consider putting a horizontal line or other divisor between anything from the original series of books and everything that was added by others later on. That way readers have an overview of everything regarding the Tleilaxu and can easily tell what is canonical. In fact, adding references to appearances to every item seems like a sensible piece of information to me. How is this solved in articles about the other houses and Dune related items? --Rygir 08:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the statement "The founder of the Bene Tleilax was a Master named Xuttuh" should DEFINATELY NOT be included under the heading "the original series"--that is from the "new canon"Tleilax Master B 20:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I changed the game heading and split out the Xuttuh reference into a Prelude section. TAnthony 04:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Face Dancers

Is it entirely accurate to say "with the unintended side effect of gradually becoming that person." Isn't Tuek the only person in which that happens? The face dancers that were absorbing HMs for Waff didn't have that happen, nor have we seen any other example of that. If I am missing a reference let me know, but this seems to imply that ALL of the new face dancers will eventually "become" that person, and I don't think that is accurate----Tleilax Master B

I added the word "potential" to make this result less absolute, however some research is probably required to clear this issue up one way or the other. TAnthony 04:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bijaz as Master

I've also posted this on the discussion page, but there is no definitive evidence that Bijaz is a Master. Its speculative based on the humming language and reference to "past lives" in DM. See my discussion there, I'm not sure he should be listed. Torg the Younger, Scytale (in Chapterhouse), Tylwyth Waff, and Mirlat are the only Masters specifically mentioned by name in the original Canon. ---Tleilax Master B —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.71.3.6 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 2 April 2007.

You've made a good argument on Talk:Bijaz, so I've removed him as a "Notable Master", and also edited the footnotes here and at Face Dancer and ghola which also refer to him as a Master. TAnthony 21:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks TAnthony for taking the time to consider it and making the edits....---Tleilax Master B

Yo, Mastah B! You need to register an account! :) --SandChigger 04:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

OK Chig, you talked me into it! Tleilax Master B 13:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation?

What is this about?

Emperor Worm

The Bene Tleilax and the Spacing Guild were also involved in the War of Assassins and attempted to create their own leader to control the Empire which was a genetic merger between some human qualities with that of the sand worms of Dune. This monstrous beast was the Emperor Worm and would have controlled the entire empire.

Removed from article pending citation. --SandChigger 01:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

It's the end-game of one of the Dune RTSs, isn't it? --Gwern (contribs) 02:00 8 April 2007 (GMT)

OK. In that case, if it's from Emperor: Battle for Dune then it was in the right place and just needs to be integrated into the article properly. (Could someone familiar with the game take care of this.) My bad...sort of. --SandChigger 06:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)