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Contents 1 Discussion archives 2 Singles 3 Requested move 3.1 Survey 3.2 Title Change 3.3 First name only 3.4 Comment by NotGonnaTellYouMyName 4 mon 5 feb 7-link to interview where bk says she will release 3rd album in 2007 5 WHY DOES THIS ENTIRE BEYONCE PROFILE READ LIKE A P.R. 6 Accent 7 Where does the name beyonce originated from? 8 Whistle Register? 9 Vocal Ability? 10 WHY HAS THE ARTICLE BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR EDITING? 11 Best selling girl group of all-time? 12 Sasha 13 Three number one singles in Japan? 14 Photo 15 Irreplaceable and pop genre 15.1 An important fact needed 16 B'day part 16.1 Does every story on Wikipedia need a Controversy section? 16.2 Vandalism 16.3 Image 17 Trivia Question 18 Vocal Profile (again) 18.1 Vocal Profile 18.1.1 Reply 18.2 Why some fans keep adding fake data sales for Beyonce's albums???? 18.3 Who keeps deleting the vocal profile?!

[edit] Discussion archives

• Talk page archive

[edit] Singles

The Singles Part of the article shouldnt be Number One Singles it should just be Singles

=be in double quotation marks, not italics. - Done

1. Solitary year, month and month-year links should not be inserted unless there is an extremely good reason. - Done
2. Various capitalisation errors in song and album titles, e.g. "Check On It" instead of the correct "Check on It". - Done
3. Various formatting errors: some words are bolded for no reason, others are not italicised when they should be. - Done
4. she was marred to 50 cent if u want to call her to ask her about why 6312231427

In summary, the article definitely needs a copyedit. For more information, consult Wikipedia's manual of style. Extraordinary Machine 20:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I went through and made these changes. If there's anything more, let me know. JackO'Lantern 21:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 17:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by NotGonnaTellYouMyName

Beyonce is great and she really can sing...though I have to admit she carrie her beats well. Even as much as I love her she can be a bit intimidating at times by her presence her beauty and her talents and of course that beautifully curveous body which is hard not to envy.

[edit] mon 5 feb 7-link to interview where bk says she will release 3rd album in 2007

since the page is locked, i am unable to correct the link. Here it is: http://www.beyoncedaily.org/index.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1167189087&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&. This will take u 2 the page where bk said she is releasing her 3rd album on 2007 . Please correct the citation, it is under the solo career, bday section. I dont think she will bc she will be on tour in 07 4 her 2nd album, so y release a 3rd album?..., she 'd be making her self her own competition. an example of her misspeaking agin. get it together bk!

[edit] WHY DOES THIS ENTIRE BEYONCE PROFILE READ LIKE A P.R.

.... PIECE FROM A RECORD COMPANY OR PR AGENCY?

TAKE A LOOK AT ANY OTHER POP CELEBRITY OF BEYONCE'S LEVEL (like Brooke Hogan, Paris Hilton, Jessica Simpson, Brandy, or Monica)- LOOK AT OTHER PAGES AND THERE'S PLENTY THERE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT IS LESS THAN "PERFECT" (with no little cute warning signs about posting potentially libelous items!).

THIS IS PATHETIC TO THINK THAT WIKI IS BEING USED AND ABUSED AS JUST ANOTHER PR TOOL FOR ANOTHER POP CELEB-DIVA. IF WIKI ALLOWS PEOPLE TO POST CONTROVERSIAL, DEBATED, AND SCANDALOUS ITEMS ABOUT OTHERS (ESPECIALLY DEAD STARS WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES) - WHY DOES THIS POP CELEBRITY LIKE BEYONCE GET A FREE PASS?

I GUESS BECAUSE HER LABEL OR PR AGENCY MADE A FEW DONATIONS TO WIKI TO SEE IT DONE RIGHT! HMMM. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.53.195.127 (talk • contribs).

I think your comments sound like some crazy conspiracy theorist's rants. Beyonce's bio reads pretty much the same as most celebrity bios on Wikipedia. It basically lists her accomplishments as an entertainer. I do not personally think she is that talented; however, she has undeniably had a lot of commercial success as an entertainer, which is why she is famous. The article focuses on the aspects of Beyonce's life which make her noteworthy. What the heck do think the article should talk about?

The only controversy involving Beyonce concerns her alleged mistreatment of animals--involving her decision to wears fur and to sponsor a clothing line which has fur and leather items, and also her decision to tape an alligator's mouth shut for a photo shoot. This controversy is highlighted in the bio and is not glossed over.

By the way, the reason dead stars bio's don't have the disclaimer about libel is because there is generally not a claim of action for libel against a dead person (I know there are some exceptions, but this is the general rule).

No one bought off Wikipedia. You bitterly gripe about the article, but you don't offer any suggestions as to what "dirt" the article should include about Beyonce. HMMMM.

Kangaroo1 06:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It is a little uncritical so it can be argued that it is not done from neutral point of view

If "it can be argued", do it. Give some details. What specifically is wrong? -Phoenixrod 06:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accent

Does the accent on the E imply that her name is pronounced be-yon-CE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.188.172.165 (talk) 01:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Well, in English it doesn't. It only makes the "e" sound like an long "a".

The accent in Beyoncé helps the reader pronounce it Bee-yon-say. Without an acute diacritic the name Beyonce would be pronounced Bee-yons. Her name rhymes with the word "fiancée". --Speakslowly 07:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where does the name beyonce originated from?

Beyonce was named after her mother's maiden name, in order to carry out the family last name since there was a shortage of males in the family. I know many people of different backgrounds visit this website, and may know people from their country with the last name beyonce. Can someone from a different culture, tell me where the name came from? I believe it is french or italian. beyonce grandmother(tina knowles mother) appears to be a bi-racial.

Actually, her mother's maiden name is spelled "Beyince", but it is spelled the same way. Tina Knowles just changed the "i" to and "o" to make it look more like a first name.

In this article, Beyoncé's mother explains the decision (and her own family's reaction) behind the name Beyoncé - Beyonce's name sparked family controversy. (2004, February 18). Platium Celebs. Retrieved December 29, 2006. lwalt 07:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whistle Register?

Why was she removed from the whistle register category? I thought we had agreed that the C6 she hit in "Happy Face" qualifies her for the whistle register. Jdot01 06:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal Ability?

Well, first I must say I'm impressed by Beyonce's vocals on her track "listen", and I'm a fan. However, I find it difficult to believe she has a 4 octave range, and is compared to the artist this new section says she is. I think if there are no references found in a certain time, then it should be deleted. It just seems like a over-hyped fan spitting out non-sensical romance words. Mforeman 03:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)mforeman

All I know is that if beyonce has a 4.2 octvave,then kelly should have 4.4 cuz they can hit higher than b,michelle should be a 5.0 . and why does her vocals keep being deleted!!!!!.

No......Kelly doesn't have a higher range thatn Beyonce. Beyonce's range has to be around five octaves in my opinion, because her lowest not is like an A2. I heard her do something really really low while she was doing her runs at the end of "Dangerously In Love", and she hit a C6 in the Destiny's child song "Happy Face," but I'm sure she can sing in the whistle register higher than that. I wish she would use it again so we could know for sure.24.164.197.116 00:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WHY HAS THE ARTICLE BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR EDITING?

What is going on? (NitaReads 03:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC))

Because the page has been protected from unnecessary vandalism. Georgia Peachez 02:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

when willl it be reopened? i wanted t correct a link. Here is the webpage that says her album is coming out in summer 07: http://www.beyoncedaily.org/index.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1167189087&archive=&start_from=&ucat=& by 208.58.196.156 01:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Best selling girl group of all-time?

According to Wikipedia's own list of best selling musical artists, The Andrews Sisters have sold 75 million or more, which is likely to be over 25 million in excess of what Destiny's Child has sold. – — … ° ≈ ≠ ± − × ÷ ← → · §71.52.91.79 17:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• well...Destiny's Child can be considered the #1 selling female group of the 21 century technically. JWG

[edit] Sasha

There should be a section about Beyoncé's alter ego, Sasha. What do you guys think? Funk Junkie 17:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely! It's all she ever goes on about.

[edit] Three number one singles in Japan?

Very dubious indeed. The japanese market is notoriously difficult to crack for an american artist. Only five english-language songs in history have ever reached the number one position on the official Japanese singles chart. Double check this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.132.3.7 (talk) 09:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC). How can that be right? Dead Or Alive are English-speaking and it says in their article that they've had about 18 No.1s in Japan.

[edit] Photo

Why has the photo of Beyoncé been removed please?SmokeyTheCat 22:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it infringed copyright. 212.139.171.139 17:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Irreplaceable and pop genre

Someone put information about Ne-Yo writing all lyrics and Beyonce coming up with the melody. It's true and was removed. I think it is reliable. I am a Beyonce and Destiny's Child fan, but I knew something was weird when you look in Beyonce's B'Day booklet there are too many songwriters' names on the songs. I think she didn't write any of the songs.

Also what happened to Beyonce's pop genre. She is a pop singer. Pop music is not about race and style. It is about melody and catch. Read what it's about. Pop music TheWoogie 17:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An important fact needed

one thing that most people don't know, is that beyonce refuses to pay her backstage singers proper wages, and treats them like dirt. no, not just dirt, like crap.
I think that this should be added to wikipedia, to note her good points as well as her bad.
I heard this info from the radio: 89.3 KOHL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.6.128.179 (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC). aziela

That source isn't good enough, 'the radio'. Which radio station did you hear it on? When? Who said it? How did they say it? This all matters. I'm not saying that your thing about her treating her backstage singers is untrue, but we need more info before it can be included in the article. 212.139.171.139 17:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B'day part

"Irreplaceable" is now in its tenth consecutive week at number one on the Billboard Hot 100. Not anymore, Say it Right is now #1.

[edit] Does every story on Wikipedia need a Controversy section?

It seems that in almost every article I read, there's a controversy section that gives a stage for some random advocacy group to voice their opinion about the subject. Is this really necessary? It's usually radical organizations like Peta, who want to advocate their own opinion in nearly every subject. Eating meat or wearing fur does NOT make that person controversial. I think a system needs to be put into place at Wikipedia that limits the ability of advocacy groups to make every article their platform.

Proposal: The way the section reads (at present) in this article, PETA basically executed a publicity stunt. The stunt had little to do with Beyoncé and more to do with PETA. As a result, it seems hardly relevant to this particular subject. One editor made the point in his/her edit summary that it's notable because it was covered in the press. However, that raises the question over whether or not every incident the press covers should be included in a subject's biography. I would argue that it isn't. At any rate, in this case, I think it would be useful to create something along the lines of a "List of Celebrities Confronted by PETA" which includes a brief description of each documented incident. Sections such as the one discussed here would certainly find a home there. Thoughts anyone? Rklawton 21:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

• Agree. I moved it to the Peta article under the heading Celebrities attacked by PETA but that was reverted and the section placed back into this article. My header was worded bad, I do "like List of Celebrities Confronted by PETA." better. And yes I think it has no place in this article. Purgatory Fubar ^Converse or Snafu 22:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I removed the section from the PETA article because it is already mentioned in their article (see 2006 in PETA#Timeline), and it was placed into the article with an extremely POV title as you stated. I have cut down the section in the article. Maybe it needs to be moved or merged into another section, but there is no reason to remove it completely when it is notable and well referenced, might as well remove the "Philantropy" section which has absolutely no references. This article reads with an extreme positive POV about Beyonce. It's no surprise that the one thing that is not completely positive about her is being continually removed. The section does not attack her; it just states a fact, a fact that was reported in the mainstream media and continues to be controversial. I also fail to see how the sourcing is not proper as you stated on my talk page. Firstly, the section is sourced by articles from The Sydney Morning Herald and BBC; I don't see how we can get any better/notable sources than those. Secondly, it is one of the few sections in this article that actually cites reference, compare it to the trivial and extreme fancruft in the "Records and achievements" section, if anything is not notable it's that stuff. --musicpvm 01:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the citations are fine - except the YouTube link. We have no citations to show that the YouTube link is the correct video, and fakes abound. Rklawton 04:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Correction, MySpace link. Purgatory Fubar ^Converse or Snafu 17:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Just thought I'd point out that the vandalsim on this page is ridiculous, I can damn near refresh the page and see something new every time. PhoenixTwo 07:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC) Onley if there is a contreversey involved.

[edit] Image

Could we use the cover of [[B'Day] for the image of Beyoncé until another picture of her is available? --CrazyBusLive-Online 23:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Short answer: no. Longer answer: no, it's copyrighted. Using the cover is fine to illustrate the album when placed next to critical commentary about the album. However, using any copyrighted picture to illustrate her does not work since the picture would be replaceable. ShadowHalo 07:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

See fair use criteria for details. Rklawton 21:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Question

Does anyone know all the music videos she made a cameo appearance??

The girl in Case - Happily Ever After

Solo then with the rest of the original Destiny's Child in a cowboy hat Nas and Ginuwine - You Owe Me

One of Jay-z's videos wearing the rockafellar chain.......???

[edit] Vocal Profile (again)

Here's what I was thinking of putting in Beyonce's vocal profile, but I didn't want to add it because it would just get deleted. Please correct me if you have other information.

Classification: Dramatic-Mezzo Soprano

Highest Full Voice Note: F#5 in "Free" by Destiny's Child

Highest Note: E6 in "Happy Face" by Destiny's Child

Lowest Note: D3 in "Bills, Bills, Bills" by Destiny's Child

Estimated Vocal Range: 4.1 octaves Jdot01 22:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vocal Profile

In the Destiny's child tour (Destiny Fullfilled... ans loving it tour) she goes lower than a d3 and it is on the song bills bills bills, her full voice can probably be on listen and yeah the e6 in happy face sounds right —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.59.40.145 (talk) 22:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Reply

Actually, I just checked the notes from "Listen" and "Free" and the highest notes in those songs are in fact the same note, so I guess it doesn't really matter which one is used.Jdot01 22:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why some fans keep adding fake data sales for Beyonce's albums????

Everysingle day someone writes that Be's Wembley cd/dvd sold 2 million in the US... i guess this is beacause it's certified 2xPlatinum by the RIAA, but platinum for Videolongform are for 100,000 copies shipped, not a million like for albums!

The same fake thing with DIL sales, which sold 8 million worldwide according to her sites, not 11 million...

It's quite easy to know the worlwide and US sales of B day as it's still charting and we can have accurate data, so please, stop putting fake sales, as it will only make this article an unreliable source!

[edit] Who keeps deleting the vocal profile?!

All of the information there is verifiable. Do I need a source for her classification or something, because I know I don't need one for the notes she sang.Jdot01 13:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

You need to cite a reference for all of it. It looks like original research to me since it doesn't have a citation. It's also been the subject of some controversy in this article (I'm not sure why - I didn't follow it that closely) and the best way to resolve that controversy is with unambiguous citations supporting the asserted facts. --ElKevbo 14:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well it would make sense for the song to be the research. I'm willing to look for a source on her vocal classification though, because I've seen that somewhere before.Jdot01 16:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you need a reference stating that "In song ___, she ___ (hit a particular note, held a note for a period of time, etc.)." It would be original research for us to claim to have listed to a song and identified a particular note as the highest, lowest, longest, etc. --ElKevbo 16:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)beyonce is a english soprano

this is Brittney

Its hard to say exactly what Beyonce is cause she can more than comfortably sing Alto. Her lowest I've heard was a Bb2. And her highest was only E6 and it was kinda shouted. I think in order to be a soprano she should be able to hit C6 easier than she does. Kelly does it easier than Beyonce. Shes a Mezzo or alto. Myke 05:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well that's the definition of being a Mezz-Soprano. A Mezzo-Soprano isn't a full soprano, but they can sing alto comfortably and soprano also. Kelly is a Spinto Soprano, because her comfortable register is higher than Beyonce's, but Beyonce's vocal range is higher. I would appreciate it if someone could help me find a source for the vocal profile.Jdot01 23:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)