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[edit] Mitch Epstein bio

Hi Bridgeplayer!

You have proposed deletion for the bio of photographer Maggie Taylor‎. While I understand that this article may be an imperfect stub, and Maggie Taylor's significance in the photography field may be challenged, I can attest to the fact that this was not a self-promotional entry, and I urge you to reconsider your deletion decision.

In fact, this biographical stub (as well as new stubs on photographers Katharina Sieverding‎, Mitch epstein, Nicolas Tikhomiroff, and Micha Bar-Am‎) were written by 16-year-old high school students studying photography, with the hope that their stub may eventually become the germ of a solid biographical article with the help of other Wiki users. (I am their photography teacher, and admittedly a Wikipedia novice myself.) The students were asked to choose a photographer whose career, contributions to the field, and body of work reflect someone worthy of a Wikipedia entry. They did their best; however I am asking them to take your challenge seriously and rewrite the stub to better establish the significance of their subject. I just fear their work will be deleted before they can do so. Thanks for your consideration! Any advice welcome! Cbaer 13:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry for the delay in replying but I have been away for a few days. What is needed in all these case are substantive independent sources attesting to notability. Examples are critical reviews in notable publications, meaningful awards, major exhibitions to which the photographer has been invited to exhibit etc. HTH Bridgeplayer 23:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red House Yacht Club

That's way out of line for you to be nominating an article for deletion and then deleting references and text based on your subjective interpretations of the WP Guidelines. I have reverted your deletion. You may be right about the quality of the references, but this should be discussed. I'm sure that you are working with the best of intent, but as the nominator I see implied bias toward the article. --Kevin Murray 18:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Not at all out of line. I cleaned up a terrible article (which you should have done if you want it kept} and deleted trivial references that failed WP:EL. Bridgeplayer 22:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

• It seems that you should withdraw the nomination if you believe that this can become a valid article through your hard efforts. Until then I can't respect your efforts as other than biased in support of your AfD nomination --Kevin Murray 22:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Please consider this a warning that removing large blocks of text and references woithout consensus during this AfD will be reported as vandalism. I'm willing to work with you, but unilateral modifications by an AfD nominator are a strange practice, which make me question your intent. Please discuss with me or other interested parties to the discussion. Thanks you. --Kevin Murray 22:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Since we seem to be in very differnt corners of this discussion, I've asked an admin to look at the situation, so that we can avoid any hard feelings. Please accept my appology if I have offended you, and misperceived your motivations. Sincerely. --Kevin Murray 23:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Post AfD editing

Re: Your comments at RYC talk and my talk page.

• A problem with headings is that they can be overly restrictive. For example, you now have information of swimming, berthing etc. under a header sailing. To add another category would make the article choppy.
• Chronology is desirable, but in some cases the relationship among the topics might be more important. Some of the history section could be more relevant to the information about the club's sailing program (e.g., national regattas). It's a fine line with no right answer.
• To me telling us where the club is located is less important than the reason for notability. So I would prefer reordering the sentences in the introductory paragraph, but this is subjective. Removing the word “notability” is good, but it seems to help during the AfD when editors are doing drive-by voting.
• I think that a reader with limited knowledge of sail boats would benefit from a description of why Lasers have dominated. I agree with the prior text as being a bit over the top, but I didn't feel strongly enough to remove another editors contribution. As the Laser is a class in the Olympics, there might be some way to tie that in, but I was reluctant to get too far off point.
• You removed the statement about the diverse nature of the past fleets. It's not a huge loss, but it sure wasn't unsupportable. That comment allowed the removal of a large list of craft, without losing the flavor of the diversity.
• Knowing of the sensitivity to your past involvement in deleting references and text during an AfD which you proposed, coming here to make large changes without prior discussion seems ill advised. I'll assume good faith that your intentions are for a better WP, but your comments seem to belie a sense of superiority about your POV of how an article should be structured. Guidelines are suggestions; there are many forms of style in use at WP.
• If you feel that I have been unfairly harsh in my description of you actions, please feel free to seek the intervention you suggested at my talk page-- perhaps we might both learn something. However, as it stands I perceive your actions throughout this process to be at minimum unconventional. Yes, you can support individual actions out of context with the rest, but taken as a whole there seems to be an agenda here.

--Kevin Murray 18:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Please be careful about what you label POV. See WP:NPOV, SqueakBox 03:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

"He is well known to the UK puiblic" (sic) is opinion - please stick to sourced contributions and don't be so touchy. Bridgeplayer 03:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You just reworded the sentiment anyway. Please just take care to help make this a nice atmosphere for others, wanting that isnt touchy, SqueakBox 04:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, sorry, its been a long day! I reworded it with two sources which is, I suggest, a significant difference! Bridgeplayer 04:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh you did a good job with the refs, SqueakBox 17:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] H5N1

2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak makes me think of Template:Bird flu around the world and Bird flu in India. WAS 4.250 04:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks; now added. Bridgeplayer 16:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I deleted your addition to the 2006 section of Global spread of H5N1 because the event is already in Global spread of H5N1 in 2006 which is the main article for that section. If the 2007 section gets too big we'll branch it off also, leaving a summary. Note that the article is about the spread of H5N1. Details not concerned with "spread" or "Asian-lineage HPAI H5N1" don't really go in this article. We have a whole series of articles on H5N1 and more are being created, so any data you see fit to go in Wikipedia will undoubtedly be able to find a home somewhere. Thank you for helping with the H5N1 series of articles. WAS 4.250 18:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem - thanks for explaining it. Bridgeplayer 18:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a good idea to burden you with unwanted information or not but in case you care ... the "Template:Bird flu around the world" template is not up to date (ie it is inaccurate).

"Tens of millions of birds have died of H5N1 influenza and hundreds of millions of birds have been slaughtered and disposed of to limit the spread of H5N1. Countries that have reported one or more major highly pathogenic H5N1 outbreaks in birds (causing at least thousands but in some cases millions of dead birds) are (in order of first outbreak occurrence): Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, China, Malaysia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Turkey, Romania, Croatia, Ukraine, Cyprus, Iraq, Nigeria, Egypt, India, France, Niger, Bosnia, Azerbaijan, Albania, Cameroon, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Israel, Pakistan, Jordan, Burkina Faso, Germany, Sudan, Ivory Coast, Djibouti, Hungary, United Kingdom."

"Highly pathogenic H5N1 has been found in birds in the wild in numerous other countries: Austria, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Greece, Iran, Italy, Kuwait, Poland, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland."

(from Global spread of H5N1) is accurate and up to date (I keep it that way). Other people keep other parts up to date but "Template:Bird flu around the world" is an orphan. Care to adopt an orphan? WAS 4.250 02:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Concerning this edit: That was not a broken link. It was a replacement within a quote. The source says "The European Commission has confirmed the presence of the virus in a farm in the southeastern Hungary" and "the virus" was replaced by [H5N1]. Brackets are used within a quote to indicate something not being quoted. Since the sentence is simple and plain with no creativity, there is no copyright-ability and the quotes could be removed or the brackets restored. I can't decide which is better. What do you think? WAS 4.250 08:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it can go either way so I have restored your version - cheers! Bridgeplayer 15:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WPCB

I'm guessing from your handle that you are a bridge player. As such, you might be interested in participating in the (somewhat limited, alas) activities of the bridge wikiproject. Matchups 02:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you - I'll take a look at it. Bridgeplayer 02:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review request

I see you are trying to file a peer review request. You need to follow all four steps under "Nomination procedure" on Wikipedia:Peer review. --Ideogram 04:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration

I have initiated a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Nearly Headless Nick disregarding consensus and consensus-related policies, a matter in which I believe you to have been involved in the case history of. Your commentary may be appreciated. Balancer 13:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• I've C&Ped the statements from the RfA to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington (2nd RfC) on the basis that there seems to be agreement that the issue should be taken up in RfC. You may wish to ratify, modify, withdraw, etc your statement if you have made one, or add a statement if you have not. Balancer 23:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your GA nomination of 2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak

The article 2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak you nominated as a good article has passed , see Talk:2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak for eventual comments about the article. Good luck in future nominations. Themcman1 15:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for this. Bridgeplayer 20:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Satter vandalism

Thanks for letting me know, good job on rooting out that sock nest. Here's hoping it's the last of them. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 09:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Peacock

Heya. Saw your afd nomination for Joe Peacock. I was kinda expecting it, so don't worry, I ain't angry ;-) I think the writer in question is notable, since he is signed a contract with Penguin Books. He is also previously published (albeit with his own publishing company). Creative Loafing published an interview with him, which I think really does make him notable. In 2002, when this article was deleted originally, he wasn't quite notable enough for Wikipedia, but since then, his rise in fame definitely warrants a WP article. What dya reckon? Talk to you soon, -GilbertoSilvaFan 16:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

What I am looking for are better secondary references attesting to his notability. Having said that, I am sure that editors, more knowledgeable than I, will have a view on him so lets see how the discussion develops. Bridgeplayer 17:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New socks

Nice catch on that last one. I'll have to add that article to my watchlist too. --Onorem 18:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Socks

Don't be sorry, glad you're catching them! Let me know if you find more, if this keeps up I'll put up an abuse report and you can just report to WP:AIV and point to that. The checkusers will hit the proxies too (and don't bug them about it too much, they're generally not allowed to comment on IP addresses, so they probably won't say they did that), but there's a lot of open proxies out there. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Global Pastors Network

Hi Bridgeplayer. You flagged an article I was starting on the Global Pastors Network for speedy deletion. When you flagged it, it was deletion-worthy, but since then I've improved the article greatly, and while it is not "complete" by any means, I hope you'll be willing to remove your tag or let me know what I should do from here. Thanks a bunch! Nswinton 17:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have shifted the 'speedy' tag. However, if it is to survive an AfD then it needs the addition of reliable, independent sources attesting to the significance of the organisation - see WP:CITE. Bridgeplayer 22:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll get on that. Thanks a bunch! :) Nswinton 23:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I put in a bit of effort on the article and with your approval it should be stub-worthy. The Time Magazine mention helps support notability and I wikified including an infobox. Come take a look please. ClaudeReigns 01:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Well done; I agree that it now meets notability criteria. BTW there are some inline references that could do with converting to footer references for consistency. More importantly we need to decide what to do about Notable members and leaders and Notable sponsors. Apart from the CEO the other members are only considered notable in a WP context if they have their own article. On the sponsors, unless there is independent confirmation eg on their website rather than the GPN website, I think that section should come out. Thanks for all your hard work. Bridgeplayer 03:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the tips. The article really doesnt matter, I was just trying to expand it a little bit because I like the band. It's no big deal, I'll just make a talk page for it. Thanks again, Marshmellow Mind 01:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some Help?

Hi Bridgeplayer,

Thanks again for your constructive criticism on the GPN article. I was wondering if you could help ClaudeReigns and I out on something else if you get the time. Could you come take a look at Great Commission Association and the discussion page and possibly do some third party/moderation work for us? We could use some fresh blood, and the article has been through several months of edit wars and needs someone new. Thanks again! Nswinton 18:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I applaud your rewriting of the introductory paragraph (clap, clap.)Mmoneypenny 10:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] framing merge proposal

Please see Talk:Framing (sociology). - Grumpyyoungman01 14:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nelson Burton (bowler)

I was thinking that the article should be moved to Nelson Burton Sr. with a redirect--what do you think? Also, please note that there is also a hockey player by that name, so perhaps "see also" links and/or a disambiguation page would be in order. --Finngall ^talk 23:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am happy if you make that move. I also agree that a DMB page is justified. Bridgeplayer 23:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The hockey player has been moved to Nelson Burton (hockey) and the dab page is in its place. I've also fixed links on the hockey pages that referenced the original. --Finngall ^talk 01:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Nice job, thank you. Bridgeplayer 03:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I see you moved the hockey player's article again--I've updated its linked pages to match. Poor guy is getting more attention here than he ever got when he was playing.  :-) --Finngall ^talk 16:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

LOL. Yes, sorry about that, but I had to go out before I could finish the relinking. Bridgeplayer 02:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This Tuesday in Texas Afd nomination

I'm not sure why you nominated this article, the W:PW project has three main things to edit. Wrestler bios, championship pages (the belts and champions) and PPV articles. Any PPV produced by WWF/WWE is notable, I'm not sure how familiar you are with the project but I would suggest looking at the project talk page in future before nominating any more articles. For fututre reference any PPV nominated for deletion will always be a keep. Darrenhusted 11:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I nominated the article because it wasn't sourced - project or not WP:V still applies. Bridgeplayer 15:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)