Talk:E and N Railway
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The name is 'E and N Railway Company'. It was formerly known as 'Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway', thus that name is mentioned early, and that redirects it. But current operations are under the 'E and N Railway' name; there is no 'Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway' any more. --SPUI 20:46, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] acronyms vs. full name
The acronym vs. full name issue seems to be a bit of a mess on this one. I've come across multiple references on both Government of British Columbia, Government of Canada and various industry sites that refer to "Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway Company (1998) Ltd." or "E&N Railway Company (1998) Ltd.", and frequently both interchangeably. I would say for the sake of geographic and historical clarification, the article could be placed under "Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway" and readers could find the minutiae of corporate naming issues within the contents should they wish.
Cheers,Plasma east 21:16, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- The official page on RailAmerica says "E&N Railway". & is virtually identical to 'and', and is used to shorten matters; very few if any railroads actually use & in the legal incorporated name. For example, http://www.railamerica.com/railmaps/AGR.htm is the Alabama and Gulf Coast Railway but uses the &.
- As for the use of the E and N, none of the other railroads on the RailAmerica site use acronyms like that; the only shortening done is using & and removing Company and similar words. Thus, unless we can find an official incorporation document for the current railroad, we should go with what's on the official company site. My opinion of course. Wikipedia policy says to use the most common name (with conditions), but in this case a lot of people probably do call it by its acronyms, and it appears that that is the official name. --SPUI 22:03, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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- That's cool with me - E&N Railway, E and N Railway, E&N Railfreight, E and N Railfreight, or Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway - as long as the redirects work, I'm fine with it any one of these being the main article - I had checked back on it after a couple of days and noticed the change and thought it was a typo, thus my move - didn't realize you were editing at the same time. Cheers,Plasma east 07:52, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] History
The paragraph containing:
"Despite the purchase by RailAmerica, freight traffic has continued to decline and the future of the E&N has been in doubt for several years as RailAmerica is seeking to sell this recent acquisition due to unprofitability."
seems to be out of date and need updating. KenWalker | Talk 16:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] History - E&N Land Grant - Dunsmuir
This article says:
"In 1883, the British Columbia provincial government, tired of waiting for the federal government to build the railway, signed a contract with Sir Robert Dunsmuir, Nanaimo coal baron and a member of the provincial legislature, to build a railway between Esquimalt and Nanaimo in exchange for $750,000 from the federal government and 800,000 acres (3,200 km²) of land on Vancouver Island."
Reading Terry Reksten "The Dunsmuir Saga" challenges this. It describes Dunsmuir's insistence that his negotiations be with Ottawa but the provincial government (which he esentially controlled) would have its say when it came time for the province to transfer the land he was to recieve. It talks about 2 million acres of land, $750,000 in exchange for building 75 miles or railway. It describes the friendly relationship Dunsumuir built with Sir John A. Once he made his deal with Ottawa, the provincial government confirmed it with the passage of the settlement Act. At the same time Dunsmuir bought the Albion Iron Works in Victoria and allowed other provincial politicians to invest in it including Joseph Trutch who was Sir John's BC advisor having been one of the group that brought BC into confederation and a Lt Gov. After the Settelment Act was passed the land included was to remain open to settlement for 4 years. Preemptors could claim land for $1 per acre but when the railway was done, the land remaining was to be transferred to the railway and then it could sell the land for what it could get. There was suspicion that Dunsmuir was behind the red tape that meant applications for preemptions were often delayed.
So, looks like the idea of the province acting first needs to come out, the number of acres needs to be checked and either here or in Robert Dunsmuir there is some history to add.
Thought I would mention it here first in case there are comments or suggestions.
