Talk:English Democrats Party

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1 BBC
2 Reportage
3 Stonehouse
4 Neutrality
5 Local Election Results
6 Robert Kilroy-Silk
7 Gary Bushell

[edit] BBC

I removed a sentence alleging that the BBC's coverage of George Galloway, which far exceeded its coverage of the English Democrats (perhaps because Galloway won a seat, and the ED's best result was something like 3.5% in Woolwich!!!) 'confirmed' an institutional left-wing bias in the BBC - this is blatant POV, not to mention a breach of Wikipedia:no original research

[edit] Reportage

The following was removed from the article:

The English Democrats are reported to be the fastest growing political party in England, this may well be the case, as it is the biggest English Patriotic Nationalist Party in the United Kingdom.

A number of English Celebrities are reported to be supporting the English Democrats and will be standing as candidates at the next General Election.

Robert Kilroy-Silk has been linked to the English Democrats as a potential leader (currently vacant), follow his exit from the UKIP Party.

English National Party

The English National Party existed before Labour came to power. It was based in Old Gloucester St (a PO Box) and stood in the 1997 Election so I have changed the assertion to contrary. I think there was a split after 1997 between the English Democrats and the English Democratic Party, and I shall research this further. finnophile.

Can you give cites for these assertions, please? -- Karada 12:50, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't know if this has been fixed but the ENP based in Old Gloucester St evolved into the English Independence Party. It changed it's name for two reasons;

1. The party was forever getting confused with the BNP (something Tilbrook fount out and one of the reasons he renamed his party).

2. In 1999 when the Electoral Commission started up, Tilbrook, a lawyer, registered the name, so the EIP could not use it.

R johnson 18:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stonehouse

Does the party Stonehouse joined have any link to the currently existing party? The article doesn't really clearly say one way or another, but implies not. If they are really just two different parties that happen to share the same name, article should be split. Morwen - Talk 14:23, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

To my knowledge they are two separate parties. Some folk may have been members of both, but there is no continuation. Best to split off.

Further to this there is a currently-existing (well, at least according to the register), English National Party, which has different officers to this one. Morwen - Talk 16:35, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

I've just read the opening paragraph and reads like an advertisent for the English Dempcrats, not a NPOV article about them. Yorkshire Phoenix (talk) 13:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Can the anon who keeps removing my {{npov}} please stop and discuss here or edit the article to conform to WP:NPOV. Yorkshire Phoenix (talk) 14:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

If the {{npov}} tag is removed again without the article being amended to conform to WP:NPOV I'm going to submit it for deletion. Yorkshire Phoenix (talk) 09:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. There is no consensus for the NPOV tag. Lancsalot 10:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

You don't need consensus for a NPOV tag: lack of consensus is a dispute and this tag says the neutrality is disputed. I am disputing it and will press for this article to be deleted if it isn't improved. Yorkshire Phoenix (talk) 10:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

You need more than one editor. And you haven't provided any evidence of POV problems. If you have a problem with the article then edit it. An AfD would be absurd. Lancsalot 10:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no interest in editing an article on English nationalism and if I did it would just reflect the opposite POV instead of a NPOV. However: I have removed the following from the intro and believe this brings it close enough to WP:NPOV to remove the tag:

It aims to create a just, caring and enterprising society

[edit] Local Election Results

I notice that "citation required" has been added to many of the election results. I did a lot of the number crunching to get the average vote figures for local and general elections and can verify their accuracy and I'm not a English Democrats supporter. Just a bit of an elections anorak! The only way to provide citations for the local election results would be to add links to dozens of local authority sites.

When I get a chance I'm going to tidy up the whole elections section but the results as stated are accurate Whiteabbey

Sorry but it all sounds a bit like original research to me. But I take your point that to reference the information presented would be difficult. --SandyDancer 20:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Kilroy-Silk

The only source for the claim that Robert Kilroy-Silk wanted to be Leader of the English Democrats Party is the Guardian's "Diary" column, which is not a news report. Robert Kilroy-Silk was still a member of the UK Independence Party at the time. I wouldn't suggest it gets removed from the article, but should it not be phrased with a little less certainty until there is better confirmation? Sam Blacketer 18:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)