Talk:G. B. Jones
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G. B. Jones is strongly associated with LGBT culture in Canada, specifically with the queercore movement, and is regularly listed on weblists of notable LGBT people. Would the anon user who keeps removing LGBT-related categories from this article care to explain why? Bearcat 23:49, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
- Also, a person cannot be filed simultaneously in both Category:Canadian punk musicians and Category:Canadian musicians; the punk musicians category is already a subcategory of the general one. Wikipedia has strict rules that an article cannot be redundantly filed in that manner. Bearcat 23:59, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Dear Bearcat, I removed those categories in the interest of being factual, not for any insidious reasons. If you read the recent essay I added to the links of Queercore, called "Queercore: the distinct identities of subculture", perhaps that will offer an explanation of why members of the queercore subculture may not wish to be affiliated with the gay and lesbian community. As well, if you read the interview with Ms. Jones in "Dangerous Drawings", you'll find she doesn't identify herself as gay/lesbian. In removing these categories I have acceded to her wishes. I hope this offers some explanation.
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- You yourself added the "bisexual artists" category to the article. LGBT does not mean "gay or lesbian"; it means gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered. So how exactly can she be bisexual but not LGBT? Bearcat 09:51, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
From "Queer"; ..."Because of the context in which it was reclaimed, queer has sociopolitical connotations, and is often preferred ...by those who strongly reject distinct sexual identities such as gay, lesbian...In this context, "queer" is not a synonym for LGBT..."
- You do realize you're preaching to the choir here, don't you? I frequently identify as queer myself; the problem is that Wikipedia is an WP:NPOV encyclopedia, not a political soapbox. We cannot impose radical alternative interpretations of sexual and gender identity terms, such as the idea that queerness and LGBT-ness are mutually exclusive identities even in a person who publicly identifies as having same-gender sexual and romantic relationships. We have to work within common understanding, and use terms and ideas that the average reader can comprehend. As much as I wish we could sometimes, we can't let sex radicalism override neutrality and clarity on Wikipedia. We can and do talk about the fact that queer exists as an identity label, but we can't use it to the exclusion of more readily understood terms. Bearcat 07:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
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Don't change the name of this person from 'G.B.' to something else. In all the articles I've read, in all the books mentioned here, in everyone of the links from this page, both internal and external, the name of this artist is consistently G.B. Jones. Intheshadows 23:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
