Talk:Glassjaw
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I want to point out to you guys that this article appears to reflect a bias in favor of the band. I've found other articles on underground or indie bands that do the same thing. Even when I know the band and they are as great and exciting as the piece makes them out, it's annoying, it's not the kind of writing that should be allowed to stand as a reference. Beginning with the phrase like "legendary producer Ross Robinson," this Glassjaw thing reads like a press release. Someone who cares should go through other indie bands' articles to make sure they arent just puff pieces. There are a lot that just go through listing all of the band's recent EPs in a way clearly designed more as an advertisement than pure information.
- I agree with you but I might wait for another opinion before changing the text. Pedro.Moreira 01:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Demos Link
I think they should not be there because there's no reason for it other than pure marketing. The guy editing those links is the owner of that site (I'm the owner of one of the others). It might be useful to write some info about those demos even though they are old demos and nothing really new besides some rough tracks. He also changed the article about Head Automatica the same way. Pedro.Moreira 13:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bias
I see no bias. Legendary is correct, considering he is largely responsible for most of the nu-metal movement, which definately changed the course of music (good or bad depending on your point of view) which eventually would lead to the death of testosterone charged radio rock.
The reason I found this article on wikipedia was because nobody else (all music or amazon) didn't even list the El Mark Ep as a release, so i'm glad there is such detail given to such things.
- As I said before, I don't agree with you. About the El Mark EP, this is a tricky one. The EP was only sold on iTunes and Yahoo Music and has only one new song in it since the other two where already released on other singles. So, for me, it shouldn't be on their discography (but there should be a note on their history about it). Anyway, please sign your posts. Pedro.Moreira 16:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- "Legendary" is just too POV. "Successful" or even "influential" would have been better. Chris 18:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
YEAH I SEE NO BIAS, IT'S ONLY THE GREATEST ROCK BAND EVER. Also can we also state ethnicity of these people, I need to know if they're African-American or not.
[edit] Present?
I noticed that the artist infobox says 199?-present. Is it really accurate to say that they're still a band? Seegoon 19:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I just checked their homepage - they are still together. Ignore me. Seegoon 00:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Todd Weinstock/Old Demos
Uhm, just wanted to point out that Todd was not in fact with the band at the conception. I don't know where the websites went that had all the old information (for instance, the impossible shot demo, the original kiss kiss bang bang ep, etc.), but if I recall from memory, Beck played drums during the first demos (they were something like 14 or 15), and todd only joined for the EYEWTKAS disc. They also had a drummer named Durijh or something who was replaced by Sammy (on account of Ross Robinson not liking him), and later by Larry.
I'll have to scout around to get my facts straight, but not only is this wikipedia article wrong, but the old site i used to frequent a few years ago is using this article as its source, which is, again, wrong.
also, besides impossible shot, this is missing the "Monster Zero" (1998 demo) and "Don Fury" (1998 lp) demos.
edit in! I found an archived link to the site. http://web.archive.org/web/20040414205337/glassjaw.net/discography.php
if there's no complaints, and since i'm sort of new to this site, i would like to edit in the missing demo's/band history.
I also hope that my edits help to improve the page.
[edit] hardcore or screamo?
i thought that glassjaw is an emo, screamo band, not hardcore..? i were told of glassjaw as one of creamo bands when i heard emo music first time..
The difference between the two is very blurry. There's elements of both - best thing probably would to say a screamo band with a healthy dollop of hardcore. Or perhaps give them their own genre! Call it Glasscore... But of course not for official purpose ;). 86.0.232.60 17:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Melodic hardcore/metal. Definitely not emo or screamo. Chris 18:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
They're actually way closer to emotive hardcore/screamo than they are to melodic metal.
___ CORRECTION TO BAND HISTORY :
Sons of Abraham did not exist in 1993 and XbustedX was a theoretical band that may have playe donce or twice, but i believe was more likely like a fantasy band where one guy from this band would hopefulyy get together with thi sone and that one and theyd call it XbustedX... Long Island was full of all these non-sense crisscross bands that never happened but were fun to assemble in theory...
Beck assembled Sons of Abraham in 1997 with Kneel Rubenstein , a staple front man in Long island, screamo, hardcore, whatever... He then recruited Todd to play co-guitar in Sons because he wanted as many Jews in the band kicking ass as possible... THEN, Beck brought Todd into Glassjaw... I believe ETYEWTKAS is Todds first recording with the band, but it may have also been on the demos that Don Fury (producer of Quicksand, CIV) did for the band with the intention of shopping them and signing them... Anyway, it is not like Todd just came on board to record Evereything...About Silence. He had been in Glassjaw for a year or two already.
[edit] Roadrunner Records hard feelings?
[[1]] This is a link to a video from the Glassjaw fan site. In it Justin Beck mentions his feelings about Roadrunner Records. "Seriously, don't ever support anything from Roadrunner, they suck!" He is really sarcastic throughout the interview so I am not exactly sure how to react, but if he is serious, I think it would make a good edit to the article. If someone else could check it out I would be able to sleep easier. Lincoln Kauffman
-Nah he's serious. When Glassjaw was on tour, Daryl started having breakdowns from his disease and he needed to go home and they wouldn't let him off tour.
Glassjaw is spelled glassJAw
[edit] "Ape Dos Mil" video director
If anyone can find out who did this, you'll complete me. Seegoon 20:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Article re-structured as of Nov 06
The article has been re-structured as of late November 2006.
[edit] glassJAw?
I'm just curious about the bandname being typeset like that in the article, using a lowercase G and capitalised J and A. It seems wrong. On Worship and Tribute, there's no evidence of it being shown like that as far as I can see. And on EYEWTKAS, the J and A are bigger than the rest of the text but it's all in caps. Seegoon 00:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the capitalized JA was just a typeface thing, I don't know how it became the accepted way of writing the band name.
- It's a lot like the "KoRn" thing. It's so tedious to see approximations of aesthetic decisions worked into the titles of wiki articles. The band's name is Glassjaw, grow up. Chris 18:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- they list themselves as glassJAw on thier myspace. so yeah its glassJAw. 172.200.143.47 09:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jered Crosky
I do not believe that there is a recording that exists by the name of 'Jered Crosky', it seems to keep appearing on this profile, and I keep removing it, so if you want me to stop removing it please cite a reference to the existence of that recording.
[edit] Neutral Rock?
i have no idea what "Neutral Rock" is but it's definitly nothing to do with glasjaw. glassjaw are most commonly cited as a Post-Hardcore group(look in any Kerrang!,NME,Rocksound whatever magazine you want). Not only that but they are known as a key influence in this genre. There is no debate. Glassjaw are post-hardcore STOP CHANING IT TO NEUTRAL ROCK. Thanks for reading 172.143.242.75 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
