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Calling Arab nationalism "fascism" is an editorial comment.

Decide how you call the first leader of MAKI, Meir Vilner (this article) or Wilner (the article about MAKI). The Knesset official site and an official communist site both side with the first spelling, while the majority of the results point to the latter. I changed the one on MAKI (to Vilner). Karpada

Contents 1 Racism in Editing this page 2 Non-Zionist? 3 References 4 Bi-national State?

[edit] Racism in Editing this page

There is racism in editing this page. Hadash sees its mainly Palestinian supporters as "Palestinian citizens of Israel." This is explicit in al-jabhas website, which is in Arabic. There seems to be a racist campaign to change the description of Palestinian Israeli political parties. This is done through the deletion of anything concerning their view that they are a Palestinian national minority in Israel. --- Fadi

The source I provided is from the BBC which is considered reputable and reliable enough for wikipedia.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 01:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Zionist?

Could someone find a citation for the "non-Zionist" claim? As far as I know Hadash supports two seperate states for Jews and Arabs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.98.67.115 (talk • contribs).

Not true, I did a bit of checking, it didn't take me long. Hadash supports the creation of a Palestinian state on the pre-1967 borders it's true, so it doesn't support a single state solution. But it also supports the right of Palestinian refugees to return to Israel (if they choose not to they should be compensated) and it contends that the state of Israel should lose it's Jewish character and should exist for all of it's citizens, effectively creating a secular state with all Israeli people and religions given equal status. I added several references to the article and did quite a comprehensive tidy up. Hope I haven't trod on any toes. This article could do with a bit of history and background. Alun 12:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

Please do not remove references from the article. If you do not like the format then please change the format, but don't revert cited material, especially when a request for a cite has been made and then fulfilled. I made no real changes to the text of the article, so I fail to see how I have apparently changed it's meaning. Please illuminate me here, or please provide reasons for removing cites. If you want to incorporate a different point of view, then that is a good thing as long as it's verified, but as I see it the article is virtually indistinguishable in content to what it was before, it's just better sourced as per the verifiability policy, and conforms better to the rules regarding citing sources. Alun 20:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The Communist Party of Israel article is largely unverified, it has fewer sources than this one. I can also see nothing there to contradict any changes made to this article by me, which were essentially simply providing sources to support the various contentions already claimed in the article, and moving a few things around a bit so it reads better. For example previously it had stated that the party is percieved as Arab twice, with the same reference each time. It only needs to be stated once. Alun 20:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC) Bold text

[edit] Bi-national State?

The article originally claimed that Hadash called for a bi-national state (מדינה דו-לאומית), and gave as a reference the Zionism and Israel Information Centre. However, the party's manifesto does not make this demand. Rather, it calls for the recognition of Palestinian Arab citizens as a national minority (מיעוט לאומי) within Israel. This position is actually incompatible with the transformation of Israel into a bi-national state. I think we shoulkd regard the party's own manifesto as more authoritative that a Zionist propaganda gloss, and have amended the article in keeping. RolandR 15:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this source (the official Maki website) is pretty clear on the issue - calling for "A Palestinian State alongside Israel - Now!" Number 57 19:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

But that's a different issue. Supporters of a two-state solution to the conflict can have varying positions towards the future nature of the Israeli state, and support for such a solution says nothing about their "domestic" agenda. Some (eg Avigdor Lieberman) are explicitly racist, even supporting transfer of Arab citizens to the resulting Palestinian state. Some, like Azmi Bishara, explicitly call for the transformation of Israel into "a state of its citizens". Hadash is more equivocal; while clearly supporting equal individual rights for non-Jewish citizens, and calling for the recognition of Arabs as a national minority within Israel, it has never opposed the existence of Israel as a "Jewish state", or supported calls for binationalism. RolandR 20:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

That was my point: Hadash does not call for binationalism but a two-state solution. Number 57 20:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)