Talk:Hal Jordan

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Contents 1 Need help with publication history 2 Categories 3 Infobox streamlining 4 Categories 5 Note on isse title.

[edit] Need help with publication history

NEED HELP! I've just about completed my publication history for 1959-1974 & 1990-2005 and will be posting it soon. If anyone has relevent information regarding editorial, writing, artistic, and other publication events between the years of 1974-1990, your imput would be greatly appreciated. You would be saving me a great deal of research.

[edit] Categories

User Spookyadler insists on adding categories -- Green Lantern villains, Fictional mass murderers and Heroes Who Turned Evil -- which IMHO, after Rebirth, are no longer valid. Jordan's reasons in turning to villany were explained as he was possessed. period. Lesfer 16:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

-sinestro is listed as Category:Green Lantern Corps yet that hasn't been "current" for years. The fact is the character was a Green Lantern villain for several years, and was a "fictional mass murderer" (still is. it was his hands that killed no matter the reason). Therefore the categories are as valid as you putting "fictional aviators" and "fictional americans." The article itself explains why Jordan is listed under those categories. Spookyadler 17:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

If we start going this way it's going to be a mess. Following this line, Jay Garrick is supposed to be listed as a JSA villain once he was the who who killed the original Mr. Terrific (Terry Sloane). He was possessed by the Spirit King, but it was his hands that killed Sloane. And this is only one example. There are many others for sure. Lesfer 18:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

That's not the same thing as with Hal. Jay was written to be taken over in that story. Hal was changed to a villain by an editorial mandate and remained that way for several years until new editors decided to issue a new mandate.

Therefore Hal Jordan should be listed as a villain for Green Lantern, he should also be listed as a Corps Member and a Green Lantern hero (if such a category exists). Spookyadler 19:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It is exactly the same thing. It doesn't matter who was written to what purpose. The Publication History has to be told in the article itself, and not through categories. The character's history is: Some years ago he became a villain and recently was revealed he was actually possessed. Therefore he's not responsible. Simple as that. Lesfer 20:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

No, not quite that simple actually. The "fear" entity which became Parallax was only allowed to exert more influence over Jordan has he allowed his guard to drop. He was implicitly responsible on some level for allowing the entity to exert control over him, Johns is quite clear on this point in the narrative. In addition, the earlier Jordan actually battled Parallax when he jumped into the present day, so technically he is both a Rayner and Jordan villain. Netkinetic 04:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Guys, I applaude the fact that you are working this out on the talk page, that's great. But I'd like to insist that you refrain from reverting the article while you are at it. As we say, very few things on Wikipedia are truly that urgent that they can't wait for a discussion on the topic to be concluded. I know how easy it is for us to get invested on something on Wikipedia, but we must keep perspective, since it will usually save us time and the aggravation. Right now, you are both half way from a 3RR violation on this article. There's no need for that: if the article stays in/out of a category for a couple of days, there's no real harm done. Thanks, Redux 23:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to alter the page to make him appear as a villain. I'm not moving the Parallax picture to the main one at the top. I'm just making sure there are accurate categories listed at the bottom. For several years, when Hal showed up, he was a villain. Therefore its relevant to list him as one. Anyone who is confused by that listing can read the article to understand Hal's history.

Spookyadler 05:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

aff... whatever... Lesfer 15:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

well since you seem to have given up any actual debate on this matter, I'll assume you won't keep trying to alter the page to "your" vision.

thanks. Spookyadler 17:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

No I won't. You can keep "your" vision. Lesfer 17:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Spookyadler, just an fyi that Lesfer may not change the main page, however his fellow Brazillian "friends" from Rio de Janeiro 201.17.109.212 and 201.17.92.140 may, as "they" seem to have a pattern of erasing items rather than build consensus (see their joint effort, for instance, on Effron_the_Sorcerer and DC_Multiverse). Curious how they have the same interests and make the similar reverts. They must "know" each other well. ;) Netkinetic 18:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah! Really curious! Go take a nap, Nancy Drew.
Spookyadler, relax, man. I said I won't edit, therefore I won't edit. Lesfer 18:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox streamlining

In regards to the edit of this character's "Notable Powers" section of the Infobox, please see revelant topics at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/templates and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Infobox: Powers section. Thanks. dfg 18:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

I assume there were categories here, but looks like a vandal removed them from the article. Could someone replace them? --DanielCD 21:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note on isse title.

While issues 76 through 122 of the second series had "Green Lantern/Green Arrow" on the cover, the title in the indencia, the legal copy on the first internal page, did not change. [1] and [2]

I've changed the image captions based on this. — J Greb 03:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)