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	To-do list for Hole argument:	edit · history · watch · refresh
Tasks for expert: Following model of recent preprint in citations (and perhaps earlier papers by Stachel), write a proper article Rewrite according to comments received (if any). If possible add figures illustrating the argument. Note that Einstein's original drawing is available at Hebrew University, but unfortunately copyright probably precludes adding it here. But an external link would be good! Tasks for anyone: Correct spelling, diction, grammar, etc. Query obscure points in talk page

To-do list for Hole argument:

edit · history · watch · refresh

Tasks for expert:

Following model of recent preprint in citations (and perhaps earlier papers by Stachel), write a proper article
Rewrite according to comments received (if any).
If possible add figures illustrating the argument. Note that Einstein's original drawing is available at Hebrew University, but unfortunately copyright probably precludes adding it here. But an external link would be good!

Tasks for anyone:

Correct spelling, diction, grammar, etc.
Query obscure points in talk page

1 Fer gosh sakes, don't plagiarize!
2 New version by User:Ian Beynon
3 Odd Citation
4 Students beware

[edit] Fer gosh sakes, don't plagiarize!

User:129.10.210.52, I just noticed that the paragraphs you inserted into the tiny stuby I wrote were lifted verbatim from one of the articles by Norton which I cited. In future, please don't do that. We gave the citation so that interested readers could go read what Norton has to say, not so that someone could plagiarize from the article! Sheesh.---CH 03:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New version by User:Ian Beynon

I was planning to expland this stub in a very different way (focusing on explicit to illustrate the idea of the hole problem more concretely, and relating this to the fundamental local isometry problem solved by Ricci and later more elegaantly by Élie Cartan). Haven't had a chance to read Ian's version, but just noticed that he used figures he grabbed from a paper Rovelli--- this would be an image copyright violation so they were autoremoved. Ian, can you draw your own figures and upload these? ---CH 04:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Odd Citation

"WHATEVER IS NEVER AND NOWHERE IS NOT:. SPACE, TIME, AND ONTOLOGY IN CLASSICAL AND QUANTUM GRAVITY. by. Gordon Belot. B.Sc., University of Toronto, 1991" Is this published? We don't want to cite an undergraduate class essay or something like that! ---CH 10:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

See WP:RS. I have removed this since my question has gone unanswered. If anyone knows more, perhaps the citation can be fixed and readded (if it is published work by a reputable scholar who someone chose to describe oddly as Gordon Belot. B.Sc., University of Toronto, 1991). ---CH 06:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Students beware

I had been monitoring this for bad edits (although I never did get around to trying to fact check the extensive rewrite by another user), but I am leaving the WP and am now abandoning this article to its fate.

I emphatically do not vouch for anything you might see in more recent versions, although I hope for the best.

Good luck to all students in your search for information, regardless!---CH 00:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

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