Talk:Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

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Isn't that image copyrighted?

I don't know, but it doesn't matter, because it's fair use if it is. -- isis 6 Sep 2002

• Um... I don't think that's a very safe assumption. You're using the entire image, after all, even if one at degraded resolution. I think that we should play it safe and remove copies of commercial images - besides copyright, there may be trademark issues too! -- April

It's not an assumption, it's knowledge. Do you have any trouble with people's putting pictures of the tapes they're selling on eBay? (Nobody else does, especially not the people who own the rights.) And that's commercial use which can be restricted under the Constitution, and this is pure-tee First Amendment fair use. -- isis 6 Sep 2002

Yep, you are probably right. I had not read the last version of wikipedia:copyright. There should be a note here, and anywhere it is the case, that the image is copyright of its owner, and used here under fair use doctrine. AstroNomer

The digital image I posted belongs to me, not to whoever has the copyright on the videotape box, just as Leonardo would be the only one who could copyright the Mona Lisa -- it may be her face, but it's his image of her face.
And I think somebody ought to post a better explanation of how the copyright law applies to Wikipedia, because too many folks here are afraid to use images in their articles for fear they might be running afoul of the copyright laws, and that's a real shame. -- isis 6 Sep 2002

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Guys, Isis knows what she's talking about in copyright matters, and I agree that it would be a real shame if people are afraid to upload useful images--hell, I just had to reassure someone that it was OK to upload a picture of the Hollywood sign that he had taken! But it's also probably not a bad idea to make it clear that we are not claiming copyright and GFDL license for images used under "fair use", since we are claiming that for all our text, and some people might be confused about the difference. Probably the description page of such images should note that we are using under fair use here. Nothing fancy, just "Image of XXX, used under fair use." --LDC

And/Or if it's not clear from the context (as it is for the videotape covers) it might be good to say where it came from and not just what it is. (For book covers, for example, I often give the ISBN to identify the source.) The distinction LDC makes between text and images is an important one: The information conveyed is not copyrighted, the creativity (or originality) of how it's presented is. For an image, the information is what it's a picture of; if there's not something uniquely different about the way it's presented, NOBODY can copyright the image, which is why no one can copyright a photocopy. -- isis 6 Sep 2002

Contents 1 cover images are a-okay! 2 Banned in India? 3 Chant Translation 4 "Interpretation of Indian Culture" section 5 External Links 6 Incorrect trivia? 7 Torture reference

[edit] cover images are a-okay!

use the tag {{Video tape cover}}. the template is Template:Video tape cover. -- Zondor 16:58, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Banned in India?

Rumour has it that this movie was banned in India (it used to be very difficult or impossible to find it in Indian video/DVD stores). A bit of trivia that can possibly find a mention in the article. I first saw the movie on my first trip outside India. Unfortunately, I cannot find any authoritative source that says it indeed was banned. -- Binand 23:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

The article says this in the Reaction section now, but cites the film's trivia page on IMDb. I don't think that source is good enough, since it doesn't cite its own sources (who said "racist portrayal of Indians and overt imperialistic tendencies") and it is very nonspecific (who banned it and when?). Business Week mentioned the ban too, but their description is only slightly more specific. --Mrwojo 22:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chant Translation

I'd be curious if we have any Punjab/Indian/etc zpeakers out there that could add to the trivia section what exact Motaram is chanting in his evil semrons. They parts I picked up sound like "Kali-ma shuc te-day" and "A-vis-te-da Mini-mut te-me-hey". When the ripped out heart victim is going down into the flames, it also sounds like Mot is screaming over and over again "Ba-lee ja car-do!". Any ideas what he was saying?

Kali-ma shuc te-day translates to " kali give me power/strength "

Ba-lee ja car-do! translates to " Sacrifice him/her" or "let the sacrifice begin" --Girish 05:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

i dont think this film was a good representation of india,cos it showed people eating worms,snakes and what not. a considerable number of inidans are vegetarians,and even if we eat meat we eat livestock and not wild animals.i think spielberg got confused between indians and chinese.--Jayanthv86 11:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

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I seem to recall a bit more of the chant - my best attempt at reproduction below. Translation would be appriciated (I know the last 2 lines were already done above, translation of the others would be appriciated):

Ba-lee cha hogay

Ba-lee mok-tee Kali ma

Mukte dagie kali ma

Kali ma

Kali ma

Kali ma shuc te-day

Then the constant repeating of: Ba-lee cha hado

Shador5529 23:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] "Interpretation of Indian Culture" section

This is a very low quality addition to this article which serves no purpose. Many films do not portray complete historical r factual accuracy, that's why it is a film and not a documentary. However, I cannot see how it is degrading or insulting to Hindus as sacrifice and murder was not attributed to them, but to the Thuggee, the Indian cult which is correct.

Any objections to the removal of this section? --Rayward 19:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I was going to revert it myself, but left it in, in hopes that someone would re-word it. But, as you said, it is a film, not a documentary, and thus, is allowed to portray things differently for dramatic effect. The Wookieepedian 19:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I have added a link to a website that I think is relevant (http://www.keithshortsculptor.com/templeofdoom.htm) to this article. The images are genuine production photos of sets pieces from the film. I know Wikipedia does not like too many external links but I am not going to upload images due to the risk of copyright fraud. Do you think the link is relevant or irrelevant? Should it stay or go? The link is for Keith Short, not for the other "film sculptor". If you want to read more on this issue please go to my user talk page. Thanks.--Chloecshort 16:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Relevant or not, I don't really find the link useful. --Mrwojo 07:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect trivia?

Correction! In the last trivia it is mentioned that Indy says "Thum Shive ko vishvas karte ho" after defeating Mola Ram. But in fact he says "Thum Shiva ke visvasghathi ho" which correctly translates as "You have betrayed shiva" and not possibly a joke as mentioned. --raghunc

I've removed it from the article (unless someone can verify it). The text in question is:

• When Indiana finally defeats Mola Ram and takes back the magic stones, he says to him, "You have betrayed Shiva!", whereas when he says the same thing in Hindi, he says, "Tum Shiva ko vishwaas karte ho!", which translates to, "You are faithful to Shiva!" (probably an inside joke from the Hindi-speaking crew).

--Mrwojo 22:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Torture reference

"Another reference to Star Wars occurs when Indy is tortured by having a Voo Doo of him held over a fire, paralleling how Harrison Ford as Han Solo was tortured in Cloud City over an open electrode"

Is this really a "reference" to Star Wars, or is it just a coincidence that Harrison Ford's tortured in both movies? I don't see how the two instances relate, how one "parallels" the other.

Theistheman 04:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the connection either. I've removed it from the article. --Mrwojo 03:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)