Talk:Iran-Israel relations
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The contenent of the paragraph about Ahmadinejad is not consistent with another wikipedia article: Iran_1989-Present. Also, I'm not sure is a good thing to cite only western media about any "destroy Israel" speech, as there have already been problems: Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#Translation_of_phrase_.22wiped_off_the_map.22 Xarvh 19:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't forget Jews made money from Iran-Contra Affair and Israeli Mossad trained the Shah's secret police, SAVAK, to monitor, interrogate and torture enemies in the Israeli style. [2].
Thank-you, Iranasgabad, for that racist and paranoid thought. And the link. Very amusing. Joffan 00:12, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Would you like to make a 1948-2006 torture and oppression contest between Iranian and Israeli regimes? I don't think it would be in the interest of an Iranian perspective. Counterboint 01:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Factual background deleted
The article is headed by "This article or section needs to be updated" title. Well I have tried to update it, and it fascinates me what reasoning could there be behind the unsurprisingly unexplained deletion of my updates to the article intro:
Publicly, Israel has been named as "The Little Satan" (The USA has been referred to 'The Great Satan'). Speeches on relevant issues by Iranian leaders in public and parliament are often accompanied by audience cries of "death to Israel"[1] - [2].
Is anyone arguing that these facts are erroneous? pray offer me some shred of evidence to this end. I would love to wake up to a reality where they are not true.
Secondly, I have added statistics concerning the number of Iranian Jews living in Israel (75,000) and Iran (25,000), and a better phrasing of that paragraph (much needed!). What's the problem with that? is there someone who prefers not to see numbers of living Jews?
All of the facts I mentioned are backed by solid references from non-Israeli sources, and I see no reason why they shouldn't be part of the article, until someone suggests a rational reason to me.
Counterboint 00:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Speculation deleted
This sounds like someone's opinion: "It may be that Israel merely uses Iran as a propaganda tool to divert attention away from its oppression of the Palestinian people, and that public histrionics such as complaints about Iranian nuclear development are intended to rally American support for Tel Aviv's regime which faces mounting criticism for its corruption and its economic failures."
Wise choice. Anyone could use anything as a propoganda tool, that still doesn't merit an entry in wikipedia, here is an example:
"It may be that Iran merely uses Israel as a propaganda tool to divert attention away from its oppression of the Iranian people, and that public histrionics such as complaints about Israeli nuclear development are intended to rally Islamic support for Teheran's regime which faces mounting criticism for its repression, expansionism, corruption and economic failures."
see, its not difficult... :) Counterboint 09:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The map
Why do we need a map of the arab league here? It's not related to the article and Iran is not a member of it.--Zereshk 10:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
- The main items on the map are Iran and Israel. The Arab league is a major player in the region between the two and is a party in the Arab-Israeli conflict. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 11:11, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Perhaps then we should put a map of Europe there too. After all, Europe is where Iran has been receiving its secret shipments from Israel through now. Correct? The article isnt about Iran-Arab-Israeli politics. The map just seems redundant to me. As if trying to make Iran look like an Arab state.--Zereshk 06:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Pre-revolution relations
This section needs to be updated and expanded. I added the fact that Iran voted in favour of the UN General Assembly Resolution 3379 condemning zionism during the Shah era. The common view that Iran did a U-turn in 1979 and went from 'warm relations' to bitter freeze regarding Israel is simply not true.
Cyrruss 08:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
- True. Even so, they did hold good relations.--Zereshk 22:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, the time spanning from 1948 until 1979 is a pretty long time, even in international politics. I've read somewhere that the Iran-Israel relations started to crumble in the 1970s, before the revolution. I'm not that well-informed myself on the topic, but if somebody knows more and have some sources available, please expand this section. Cyrruss 09:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stub status?
This seems fleshed-out enough as to not warrant it being considered a stub. I implore you to contemplate removing this designation from the article. eszetttalk 08:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
GREAT SOURCE FOR PRE-1979 ISRAEL-IRANIAN TIES http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/10/opinion/edweiss.php
Europe saved thousands of Jews from the Holocaust and that Iran served as an escape route for Iraqi Jews fleeing to Israel after the 1948 war for Israeli independence. In fact, Iran was one of the first Muslim countries to establish diplomatic and trade relations with the state of Israel.
Common Sunni Arab enemies made Persians and Jews close friends for the next three decades. Iran's Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi depended on Israel for a steady stream of arms and intelligence. Israel depended on Iran as part of its "periphery policy" of security alliances with non-Arabs on the Middle Eastern periphery along with Turkey, Ethiopia and Lebanese Christians.
Persian Iran sat out all three Arab-Israeli wars and even during the Arab oil boycott of the 1970s, continued supplying Israel with oil. The 100,000 Jews in Iran helped sustain robust Iranian-Israeli trade.
Even after Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's Islamic Revolution severed these ties and sent most Iranian Jews fleeing, overlapping interests allowed these arch-enemies to do business. Mutual animosity toward Iraq - and Israel's desire to preserve influence with Tehran moderates - led Israel to supply weapons to the Islamic Republic well into the 1980s, including service as middleman in the Reagan administration's arms-for-hostages deal.
Flickers of an Iranian-Israeli rapprochement continued even during the heightened tensions of the 1990s, despite Iran's support for Hezbollah in Lebanon, Palestinian militants and the bombings of the Israeli embassy and Jewish cultural center in Argentina.
By the time of my visit to Iran, during the first year of Mohammad Khatami's reformist presidency, Israeli officials were exploring ways to repay shah-era oil debts to Iran. Israeli exports to Iran, mostly agricultural equipment through European third parties, were said to exceed $300 million. SkyEarth
[edit] Outcomes of a war
The stuff about the outcomes of a hypothetical war is POV, highly speculative and unreferenced. Irans infrastructure would be "shattered" etc. Considering the U.S. recent track record (and Israel's for that matter) of military failures in the broader region this is totally unwarranted. For that reason I have deleted it.
[edit] Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Interview on Iranian nuclear weapons
"Occasionally, Israeli officials do let slip indications that their fears of Iran are less extreme than the "second Holocaust" rhetoric would indicate. In November, Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh explained candidly in an interview with the Jerusalem Post that the fear was not that such weapons would be launched against Israel but that the existence of nuclear capability would interfere with Israel's recruitment of new immigrants and cause more Israelis to emigrate to other countries.
Sneh declared that Ahmadinejad could "kill the Zionist dream without pushing a button. That's why we must prevent this regime from obtaining nuclear capability at all costs."
Sources:
- http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1162378366509 (original interview)
- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB01Ak01.html
--70.48.240.240 18:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Factual accuracy
This page needs some conspiracy crap cleanup. You know what I'm talking about --Telecart 00:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
